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Re: Show HN: Redox Rust OS – v0.3.3 release

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

atombender wrote: post #22
kbr wrote: post #16

I've been seeing Redox develop for a while now, and I've got to say—it's really amazing what such a small group of people can accomplish. They have innovative tools in all sorts of areas of computer science. Including coreutils, binutils, a shell (along with a custom shell scripting language), common GUI applications, a hash function, a file system, etc. One of the coolest aspects of all of these tools are that they…

I’ve always found it weird that things like file systems in the Linux kernel are so tightly coupled. Why isn’t, say, Ext4 written like a library? (Or is it? I don’t think it is?) Stub out the interface that the kernel needs, and provide an interface for the bits (reading disk blocks and so on) that the file system needs from the kernel. This way, you can decouple it completely from the kernel, test it independently,…

One reason is that it helps keep Linux free by making it harder to pull code out of the tree or maintain out-of-tree drivers, which encourages people to contribute their changes upstream.

Re: Show HN: Redox Rust OS – v0.3.3 release

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Post by cyber1 »

jackpot51 wrote: post #2

I am the creator of Redox OS. It is a microkernel based operating system mostly written in Rust. Please ask any questions or make any comments you have about Redox! EDIT: I am going to sleep soon. I will be up in 8 hours, 7 A.M. Mountain Time.

Your works are very amazing! I have three questions :)

1. Could you say your opinion about future of Rust. Will it become mainstream?

2. Pros/cons between Rust and C for system programming?

3. I heard many times that implementation of standart data structures like RBTree, Graphs without recursion traversal in Rust it's very difficult and painful tasks with unsafe hack code. So if i am Rust beginner i should avoid learn this language through implementations my own data structures(BST, AVL, LL, ...)?

*sorry for my English. It is not my native language.

Re: Show HN: Redox Rust OS – v0.3.3 release

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Post by silly_giraffe »

IshKebab wrote: post #39

Very impressive, but I'm still disappointed they are mostly copying Unix, rather than trying to improve it. E.g. based on the names, the coreutils are identical.

While I completely agree that there are Unix idioms that could go by the wayside, the team is already taking on an enormous project. Reinventing standard practices at the same time (and the ridiculous bike shedding that would ensue) seems like an even more impossible task.

Re: Show HN: Redox Rust OS – v0.3.3 release

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Post by [deleted] »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #41
atombender wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve always found it weird that things like file systems in the Linux kernel are so tightly coupled. Why isn’t, say, Ext4 written like a library? (Or is it? I don’t think it is?) Stub out the interface that the kernel needs, and provide an interface for the bits (reading disk blocks and so on) that the file system needs from the kernel. This way, you can decouple it completely from the kernel, test it independently,…

One reason is that it helps keep Linux free by making it harder to pull code out of the tree or maintain out-of-tree drivers, which encourages people to contribute their changes upstream.

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Re: Show HN: Redox Rust OS – v0.3.3 release

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Post by pjmlp »

cjbprime wrote: post #6

I expect this sort of work doesn't get enough praise because it's just the start of what a full OS would look like, but I think having OS kernels written with more memory safety is awesome and necessary.

Yes, specially since we already lost many of them since the early 70's, mostly due to politics and bad management decisions.

Re: Show HN: Redox Rust OS – v0.3.3 release

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Post by nathcd »

jackpot51 wrote: post #2

I am the creator of Redox OS. It is a microkernel based operating system mostly written in Rust. Please ask any questions or make any comments you have about Redox! EDIT: I am going to sleep soon. I will be up in 8 hours, 7 A.M. Mountain Time.

Is Orbital the desktop for Redox, or are there plans for a modular DE/WM system where other desktops can be slotted in and selected from the login screen, or wherever? If it is going to be modular, are there any plans for compatibility with Linux DEs?

Re: Show HN: Redox Rust OS – v0.3.3 release

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Post by jackpot51 »

vbezhenar wrote: post #43

I wonder why Redox has so high requirements, 1GB of RAM looks like a lot for pretty much toy OS. I'm using server running on 256 MB RAM and it's enough for quite a lot of services.

Redox can run in 256 MB if it is installed to disk, and is not running the GUI.
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