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Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by mirimir »

mirimir wrote: post #79
doktrin wrote: post #29

Facebook is most likely a net negative in this world. I don't know if it's always been true, but I think it is now. I personally didn't realize how strong my feelings were until one of their recruiters contacted me. I'm far from a 'values' driven employee, but this was by far the easiest refusal of my career.

In the Guardian article[0], recently posted on HN[1], Franklin Foer argues: > By the time Zuckerberg began extolling the virtues of hacking, he had stripped the name of most of its original meaning and distilled it into a managerial philosophy that contains barely a hint of rebelliousness. I rather disagree. Indeed, I believe that Facebook has taken hacking to an extreme level. As the article argues, they're against…

Listen to "Life During Wartime" while thinking on this :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyzkB-9rxOY

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by odiroot »

IBM wrote: post #3

>At a White House dinner in 2015, Mr. Zuckerberg had even asked the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, whether Mr. Xi might offer a Chinese name for his soon-to-be-born first child — usually a privilege reserved for older relatives, or sometimes a fortune teller. Mr. Xi declined, according to a person briefed on the matter. Laughed out loud at this. I can understand wanting access to the market but this is just embarrass…

This story somehow makes me really warm in my stomach. Zuckerberg facing a more experienced player.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by rvense »

jonny_eh wrote: post #51
IBM wrote: post #3

>At a White House dinner in 2015, Mr. Zuckerberg had even asked the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, whether Mr. Xi might offer a Chinese name for his soon-to-be-born first child — usually a privilege reserved for older relatives, or sometimes a fortune teller. Mr. Xi declined, according to a person briefed on the matter. Laughed out loud at this. I can understand wanting access to the market but this is just embarrass…

I dunno, I would think it's an honour to have the president of China give your child a Chinese name. But I'm not Chinese, and neither is Zuckerberg.

I think his wife is, though. Which makes it slightly less odd to give the child a Chinese name, but really not less so to ask a total stranger to decide it.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by throwanem »

StavrosK wrote: post #66
detaro wrote: post #65

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Ohh, interesting, that seems to have most of the things I was looking for. Not sure why I missed it when I went looking for one recently. Thanks!

No problem, I had missed it too but someone here pointed me to it. I wish we had one for Firefox as well!

What stops that one from running in Firefox? I haven't dug into its code, but nothing in its description or screenshots looks like the FF web extension implementation shouldn't support it. I mean, it's just a little chrome, a content script doing link rewrites, and an occasional HTTP request to fetch status info, yeah?

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by ionised »

bitwize wrote: post #74
doktrin wrote: post #29

Facebook is most likely a net negative in this world. I don't know if it's always been true, but I think it is now. I personally didn't realize how strong my feelings were until one of their recruiters contacted me. I'm far from a 'values' driven employee, but this was by far the easiest refusal of my career.

You want to talk easy refusals? I just had a recruiter come to me with a position at Monsanto.

I had one come to me with a position at Elsevier.

Instant no from me.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by StavrosK »

throwanem wrote: post #94
StavrosK wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No problem, I had missed it too but someone here pointed me to it. I wish we had one for Firefox as well!

What stops that one from running in Firefox? I haven't dug into its code, but nothing in its description or screenshots looks like the FF web extension implementation shouldn't support it. I mean, it's just a little chrome, a content script doing link rewrites, and an occasional HTTP request to fetch status info, yeah?

Nothing stops it, I guess it's just that nobody has bothered to make one yet. It's works exactly as you describe, though, pretty simple.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by throwanem »

StavrosK wrote: post #96
throwanem wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What stops that one from running in Firefox? I haven't dug into its code, but nothing in its description or screenshots looks like the FF web extension implementation shouldn't support it. I mean, it's just a little chrome, a content script doing link rewrites, and an occasional HTTP request to fetch status info, yeah?

Nothing stops it, I guess it's just that nobody has bothered to make one yet. It's works exactly as you describe, though, pretty simple.

https://www.ghacks.net/2016/05/23/install-google-chrome-exte... might be worth a look. Haven't tried it, but the claim is that it mechanically transforms Chrome extension metadata and containers into Firefox's formats, and supports automatic signing via AMO for permanent installation. Assuming that, the rest should Just Work modulo possibly still incomplete WebEx API support in Firefox. If you try it, I wouldn't mind hearing how you get on.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by rovek »

ouid wrote: post #46
skybrian wrote: post #31

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The wild Internet is definitely still there. The problem is that it got too hostile for most users due to spam, viruses, malware, phishing, trolls, doxing, and so on. It will get worse, as attackers adopt machine learning techniques and automate social engineering at scale. So users have a problem. Companies that solved it the right way became enormous, because protection from all that crap is something people want,…

>Snapchat helped teens avoid creating a permanent record of things. Why isn't Snapchat more popular than Instagram? I assumed that it was the case that more people have stage fright than don't. Is this a faulty assumption, or are people just acting in defiance of this fear?

From a user perspective, validated only by other engineer-friends, Snapchat is a pretty sketchy app.

The UX diverges from common design principles of both major mobile OS, making it feel awkward. The app slaughters batteries in Android phones, occasionally you can actually watch the % drop.

That's not to say it isn't popular, wildly so in younger users, Instagram just has more ad value because of its maturity (reportable metrics) and unbridled desire to be an ad platform.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by addHocker »

AlexandrB wrote: post #8

I find that the headline and the article mischaracterizes what is happening. The "Wild Web" was reigned in long ago by commercial interests. A distributed web with many small nodes would still be hard to control and police effectively. However as much the web has been centralized by the likes of Google, Facebook, and large media conglomerates effective government censorship is once again possible. This is like a wild…

Actually governments walling the internet in, results in lots of smaller local alternatives due to protectionism.

Which might- if freedom is allowed to fluctuate- may result in competition. Look at chinas weechat

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by turk184 »

mirimir wrote: post #90
wickawic wrote: post #88

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And many didn't. Weasel words abound.

Do you deny that commercialization of the Internet in the mid 1990s was controversial?

Incredibly so. But I have realized that the large majority of Internet users today have no point of reference to that time because they were either not alive, where very small children, or weren't paying any attention to what was going on. But for a brief time, humanity was being uplifted instead of being loaded onto digital cattle cars. There truly is a threat here--technocracy is turning America into a gulag and it needs to stop. No, I am not kidding. It's not just the Internet, it's all the companies collecting massive data "to better serve us" that are creating the . chains.

I'm just glad I experienced that early period. Sunsite at UNC was the greatest. There were many true humanitarians back then. Today, we have the growing evil of Google and the Never-Was-Anything-But-Evil Facebook!

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