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Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Post by sircastor »

ausjke wrote: post #13

Checked the software stack, it's basically: Yocto(OS framework) + Tizen(application framework) + Genivi(infotainment). Yocto is totally over-engineered and only RTOS vendors really enjoy it as they can sell services on top of that, it's a nightmare for small players, they should just use Buildroot the alternative to save money and time. Tizen has never reached what it wanted to be, partially because of Android. Geniv…

GENIVI is an industry consortium to generate software standards. As a group, it does produce the GDP (GENIVI Development Platform, née GENIVI Demo Platform) but it doesn't produce software that actually gets deployed to production vehicles. Software produced by OEMs and vendors may be GENIVI compliant, but it's not a product that would have market share.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Post by twblalock »

sircastor wrote: post #26

Infotainment system developer here, A number of people have mentioned preferring/wanting Android Auto/CarPlay in their infotainment systems, and that it would be preferable to many of the systems that exist in current vehicles. I have a couple of thoughts. The Infotainment system is one of the most user-facing components of the vehicle. It's something that can reflect the brand identity of the vehicle, and most OEMs…

> The Infotainment system is one of the most user-facing components of the vehicle. It's something that can reflect the brand identity of the vehicle, and most OEMs are not eager to cede that space to Apple or Google. Google and (especially) Apple certainly aren't interested in mixing their branding with a manufacturers.

It actually seems like most manufacturers are including CarPlay and Android Auto in new cars. In terms of CarPlay, Toyota is one of the notable holdouts. Mazda, the other notable holdout, is going to offer CarPlay in newer models and upgrade older models to support it. Jaguar was the other major holdout, and it seems like they will also support it in the future. I can't think of any other car brands sold in America that don't offer it except Tesla.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Post by ianai »

twblalock wrote: post #42
sircastor wrote: post #26

Infotainment system developer here, A number of people have mentioned preferring/wanting Android Auto/CarPlay in their infotainment systems, and that it would be preferable to many of the systems that exist in current vehicles. I have a couple of thoughts. The Infotainment system is one of the most user-facing components of the vehicle. It's something that can reflect the brand identity of the vehicle, and most OEMs…

> The Infotainment system is one of the most user-facing components of the vehicle. It's something that can reflect the brand identity of the vehicle, and most OEMs are not eager to cede that space to Apple or Google. Google and (especially) Apple certainly aren't interested in mixing their branding with a manufacturers. It actually seems like most manufacturers are including CarPlay and Android Auto in new cars. In…

I have an ancient car. Do either offer customization to the manufacturer?

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Post by ianai »

pfranz wrote: post #36
sircastor wrote: post #26

Infotainment system developer here, A number of people have mentioned preferring/wanting Android Auto/CarPlay in their infotainment systems, and that it would be preferable to many of the systems that exist in current vehicles. I have a couple of thoughts. The Infotainment system is one of the most user-facing components of the vehicle. It's something that can reflect the brand identity of the vehicle, and most OEMs…

It just feels like nobody uses these things (or they're so resource constrained their first iteration made it into production). I bought a 2015 Honda Fit knowing it'd been out awhile and there was no change for 2016 (I hoped this meant many things, including their infotainment system had things ironed out). I also got the lowest-end infotainment system because I wanted a volume knob instead of soft buttons. It's funn…

That was such a good comment I actually think you prewrote it for just this sort of comment reply. (But I suspect you really wrote it for your dealer)

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Post by phugoid »

rothbardrand wrote: post #7

I've been a loyal toyota buyer for over 30 years. But I will not buy another car, unless it has first class CarPlay support. (and it should support the android equivalent as well) Having to interact with the phone while driving is a safety problem and Apple (and presumably android too) delivered a great solution several years ago-- no excuse for not implementing it. Especially given that auto makers really suck at th…

> Having to interact with the phone while driving is a safety problem

Surprised and dismayed if this is the prevailing viewpoint, that using a phone while driving is a necessity that should be made as safe as possible.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Post by curun1r »

sircastor wrote: post #26

Infotainment system developer here, A number of people have mentioned preferring/wanting Android Auto/CarPlay in their infotainment systems, and that it would be preferable to many of the systems that exist in current vehicles. I have a couple of thoughts. The Infotainment system is one of the most user-facing components of the vehicle. It's something that can reflect the brand identity of the vehicle, and most OEMs…

I think you're missing the point of people saying that they want CarPlay/Android Auto. People don't want another system, they want another set of controls, screen, speakers and charging dock for their smartphone. They already have an intimate relationship with their phone. Phones are addictive. It's where people get their dopamine rushes from social media, sms and games. You can't compete with that. Even if someone is driving many, many hours per day, their relationship with their car will never be as strong as it is with their phone, despite the fact that they've paid more than 20x for the car. The more you try to compete with those systems on a feature-by-feature basis and try to impose your brand, the more you're going to lose. The more you design your system to be a natural extension of their phone, with as much looking and feeling like the phone's interface as possible, the more well received it will be. CarPlay and Android Auto are the easy answer to making it as similar as possible.

Trying to understand the issue from a technical or UX perspective is going to lead to a whole lot of failure. You need to understand the psychology. And what auto manufacturers resisting CarPlay and Android Auto are doing is akin to hitting on people in a committed relationship. It makes them angry and want to reject you, not dump their significant other. Accept that you'll never be more than friends and build the best platonic relationship you can, no matter how much you want them to love you.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Post by b1daly »

This just reminded me of my personal pet "first world problem."

The move from hardware based interfaces to touch screen interfaces is an astonishing regression in usability.

Older car "audio" systems could be controlled with simple knob and button interfaces. This would allow the user to fine tune the audio playback, as well as find radio stations, without having to look at the device.

Asside from picking the music, and adjusting the volume, my most desired adjustments are to: bass, treble, L/R balance, front/back balance.

In my current run of the mill, screen based, "infotainment" system, doing this without endanger myself and others, requires stopping the vehicle, and undertaking a series of awkward and unresponsive controls, none of which are accessed on the same screen!

The whole concept of a "touch screen" interface in a car is dubious. Ironically, touch screens require visual attention, due to lack of haptic feedback, and inconsistent UI patterns.

If I ever"upgrade" my car audio, I'm going back to an old-school style unit, with an aux plugin.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Post by ianhowson »

yitchelle wrote: post #46

How are these infortainment systems rated for Functional System? Last time I looked (about 7 years ago), Linux was only suitable for QM rated systems, and that was questionable already.

They're not. That side of the car systems is firewalled off because of the tyre fire that is Linux/Android/Internet connectivity.
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