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China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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This is more totalitarian than crushing a citizen in a public square with a tank?

Tank man wasn't crushed, FYI.

At least 202 people were killed on that day.

Dong Xiaojun, Lin Renfu, Wang Peiwen, Tian Daomin, are among those identified who have been crushed by tanks.

Older list: http://www.hrichina.org/en/list-155-victims-beijing-massacre

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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China's economy is crashing, and Chinese government is panicking.

Can you give any more details on "China's economy is crashing"? I must admit I haven't heard anything negative about their economy, thought it was on the up and up.

They have a lot of debt building up as well as a huge real estate bubble that makes SF look tame. However, it hasn't crashed yet.

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So the PBOC is taking further steps to plug the leak. Not unexpected. China has exchange controls. Internal yuan cannot be easily converted to euros or dollars. There are limits on capital outflows. The controls are leaky; the classic leak is to send all your relatives to Hong Kong loaded up with the maximum allowed amount of yuan in cash. The current limit is about $50K/year/person. Small leaks are thus tolerated. B…

> Why China has tight exchange controls is beyond the scope of this discussion.

What's a good resource on this?

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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Is it just me or has China been doing some crazy regulatory stuff recently. Idk if there's an overall mosaic I'm missing or if these are unrelated.

China's economy is crashing, and Chinese government is panicking.

If you understand the population distribution in the PRC, have spent time in a Tier 2 or Tier 3 city, and think deeply about economic growth, the idea that the Chinese economy could "crash" is laughable: there is a vast pool of emerging customers that will continue to fuel growth over the foreseeable future. The question is whether global trends, especially related to climate change driven instability, will interfere in the emergence of the socialist/communist market economy. If you find a contradiction in the conception of a socialist/communist market economy, check Dominic Losurdo's "Has China Turned to Capitalism?—Reflections on the Transition from Capitalism to Socialism" published in the March 2017 issue of International Critical Thought.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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All comments so far have been pro-bitcoin... does nobody think this could actually be a sensible decision?

For a totalitarian country, yes.

In almost any category conceivable (police presence on the streets, incarceration weights, bureaucratic oversight), the PRC is significantly more libertarian than the US. It is true that the CIA has invested a tremendous amount of energy and money into political issues designed to delegitimize the CCP -- Tibet, Falun Gong, and Taiwan. Liberalizing speech around these topics would likely be more efficient counterstrategy than the current approach, which is a remnant of an older model of socialist statecraft.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give any more details on "China's economy is crashing"? I must admit I haven't heard anything negative about their economy, thought it was on the up and up.

Exactly it can't keep going up and up. https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017...

True but it hasn't crashed yet.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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Is it just me or has China been doing some crazy regulatory stuff recently. Idk if there's an overall mosaic I'm missing or if these are unrelated.

Yes there has recently been :

- promise to block all VPN services from accessing blocked website

- law to hold chat group owners responsible to what the members say (controverse political talk or gambling for example can lead to arrests)

- most of casual barbecue that were held in the streets last summer have been forced to close this year in my area

- tightening and more scrutinity on visa applications for foreigners (there has been some abuse so this is legitimate)

- more random drug tests and work visa checks on foreigners (again there are many illegal teachers so can't blame them)

- ban of many cheeses (like blue cheese)

- ban of Winnie the pooh from social media following a picture mocking Xi as looking like Winnie

China is getting more and more authoritarian and strict. Some of these moves are because of the big party congress in one month where Xi is excepted to renew his term

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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So the PBOC is taking further steps to plug the leak. Not unexpected. China has exchange controls. Internal yuan cannot be easily converted to euros or dollars. There are limits on capital outflows. The controls are leaky; the classic leak is to send all your relatives to Hong Kong loaded up with the maximum allowed amount of yuan in cash. The current limit is about $50K/year/person. Small leaks are thus tolerated. B…

> Why China has tight exchange controls is beyond the scope of this discussion. What's a good resource on this?

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Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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What's interesting to me is that no amount of bad news appears to affect the price of BTC. I'm not a professional or amateur trader (I've got no position on BTC at all) but the price fluctuations really seem dominated by sentiment over any sort of fundamentals.

It does seem to have some effect. Bitcoin "crashed" last week quite a few pecentage points (see https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/#charts click 1M or 3M and see September 15th). Like stocks though, it is always hard to pinpoint why , because it's a market with lots of different opinions.

Wouldn't sentiment based fluctuations smooth out over the maturity of the instrument. Bitcoin is an infant compared to stocks... so volatility will be 100% based on youth/ignorance/fear of what is happening with said insturment
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