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Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by s73ver_ » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 12:00 AM UTC

KGIII wrote: post #148

rmrm wrote: post #126

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I don't think Free Speech has ever meant being required to publish others speech. Freedom of the press was meant to ensure you can say what you wish via pamphlets or starting your own newspaper, wherein you own the method of speech. That is why it was fundamental to Free Speech. One has never been able to compel a publisher to publish them. You may have a different concept, but to my way way of thinking that has alwa…

What's your opinion on cake decorations?

Don't. That is a completely separate topic. Not to mention that, in the state where that happened, sexual orientation was a protected class.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by s73ver_ » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 12:03 AM UTC

lawl wrote: post #11

Scirra_Tom wrote: post #5

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So you're speaking out for the terrorists? I'm struggling to see the point of that quote.

Yes, I believe even terrorists should be able to say whatever they want. I'd actually prefer them shitposting on twitter rather than killing people.

Even if what they're saying is there to recruit others to commit acts of terrorism?

And do you not believe that Twitter has the right to Freedom of Speech and Association as well?

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 12:05 AM UTC

gertef wrote: post #120

astura wrote: post #117

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His communication was two way, not just one way. It was just really slow and labor intensive. I typed my last comment going from memory. I looked it up and my memory served me well, his bunker didn't have Internet. Looks like his USB drives weren't encrypted though, rookie mistake. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/how-bin-laden-emailed-without-b...

https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html """ I am careful in how I use the Internet. I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with. I usually fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see git://git.gnu.org/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at them using a we…

Doesn't he know Tor is completely compromised?

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by s73ver_ » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 12:05 AM UTC

supergreg wrote: post #116

Scirra_Tom wrote: post #21

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I disagree that everyone should have a platform to say anything. Allowing hatred and violence can normalise it. Also, if someone got on a soapbox outside your house and starting preaching violence I don't think you'd be celebrating the exercising of their rights - you'd probably call the police.

I might disapprove of what they say but will fight to death for their right to say it.

So you'd support them doing it on your lawn?

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by eanzenberg » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 12:06 AM UTC

Semiapies wrote: post #57

"roughly 95 percent were identified by the company’s spam-fighting automation tools" I wonder how high the false positive rate is.

More interested in the false negatives (what wasn't found)

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by s73ver_ » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 12:08 AM UTC

virmundi wrote: post #25

josefresco wrote: post #15

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Twitter is a business - they are not rounding people up for extermination. This is a poor, and hyperbolic comparison.

They are increasingly a major conduit for speech. Isolating people from Twitter isolates them from their inherent right to speech. This does two things a) sets precedence for future speech limitations and b) makes it harder for us to track people associated with terrorism. Both are bad since they historically lead to more violence.

No. You've never had an inherent right to have people listen to you.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by vacri » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 12:13 AM UTC

Pxtl wrote: post #113

astura wrote: post #94

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Before he was killed Bin Laden communicated with his inner circle only by USB drives transported by sneakernet - his bunker lacked Internet connection but his communications were electronic. I think some of his communication was re-transmitted by his couriers over the Internet though but not through locations that were physically near where he was hiding.

Really, he didn't have internet? I remember his final video and it was so laden with modern political jargon I'm really surprised - I kind of figured he'd spent the decade in hiding surfing political forums.

Part of how he was found included that the house he was in was the only one in the area that didn't have a phone line.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by vacri » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 12:16 AM UTC

aphextron wrote: post #36

chrissnell wrote: post #10

I understand why Twitter might not want ISIS accounts on their service but from a national security standpoint, it seems better to have the communication happening on a U.S.-based service like Twitter than some darknet or crypto-centric app.

Agreed, and this should be the retort to any curtailing of free speech in the name of safety. Its the same argument as allowing “the_donald” to exist on Reddit. You will not stop an ideology by denying them a platform. Better to debate them in an open forum, even if they are evil. The only way to counter bad ideas is with good ones.

> You will not stop an ideology by denying them a platform.

Ideologies are routinely stopped by denying them a platform. It's the standard way of stopping an ideology.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by appleflaxen » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 12:31 AM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #163

gertef wrote: post #120

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https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html """ I am careful in how I use the Internet. I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with. I usually fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see git://git.gnu.org/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at them using a we…

Doesn't he know Tor is completely compromised?

that's news to me.

a cursory google search doesn't show anything substantive (only tor browser vulnerabilities).

are you saying that tor, the protocol, is compromised? what's the basis for your claim?

we do know that state actors can break it at great expense, but that isn't really a statement about tor weakness as much as it's a statement about the resources of state actors. and for a person like RMS who is likely not a state-level threat, his use of Tor probably does provide him with some degree of protection.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by spaceseaman » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 12:39 AM UTC

robotresearcher wrote: post #77

spaceseaman wrote: post #65

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You use twitter to radicalize and indoctrinate - not plan attacks. Attacks are typically planned alone and in solitude after someone has already been radicalized.

> alone and in solitude two-factor solitude.

By alone I meant "the attacks were planned by themselves".

And by in solitude I mean, "in isolation from society at large".