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Ideally, yes. It may not've been popular at that point, but Linus did. But what about the next Linus of 2017? Something like that's not going to be possible anymore. Just the basic necessary hardware drivers alone. The hardest challenge for Linux was just avoiding Winmodems. These days the entire nouveau project with years of research can't even manage to change the clock speed of your GPU. VESA's been all but abando…
The next Linus of 2017 will be on a completely different platform, not PCs or smartphones. That's the nature of disruptive innovations.
W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
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Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
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>To a first approximation, no ordinary consumer uses TPB. I'm not sure how true that is. Currently getting content is easy enough that the average consumer doesn't use it, but at least back in the mid 00's the technical people in my social circle got introduced to torrents by people who didn't know how turn off a computer except by unplugging it. They we're willing to take all sorts of risks with their computer on sk…
Related: remember SOPA, and the street protests with which Poland led the way to shutting it down in Europe? I still really don't think the protests happened because people suddenly became aware of abstract consequences of an obscure deal proposal. But exactly at that time, in an unrelated case, FBI shut down Megavideo, widely used by regular people then. This is what they took as a future of Internet under SOPA, and…
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#943Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not familiar with that case, but I don't think an accusation that using a text mode browser like Lynx constitutes "hacking" would stand up to any type of scrutiny. (I'm not a lawyer and I'm in the US; things may differ in the UK). Lawyers will make the most egregious leaps and grasps to paint the opposing party in the worst light possible, especially in the early stages of the case, because if they don't claim th…
Please note that this wasn't related to some lawyer actions, but the Metropolitan Police's Computer Crime Unit acting on the basis of suspected offence under the Computer Misuse Act. The offensive act occurred while the browser was used for making a donation at a tsunami related website of the Disasters and Emergency Committee, where the browser showed up as an "unusual event" in the access logs. I believe, the case…
This is not to say there aren't ridiculous prosecutions that run their course, especially in niche areas that aren't widely understood and thus hard to create public outcry over, like insider trading or computer crimes. It's just to indicate that using Lynx, by itself, is not considered criminal by any sane person. It's a nit the prosecutors pick when they're trying to nail you on something larger, a detail they exaggerate to attempt to create the impression of one's villainous ways.
Just don't want people to uninstall Lynx in fear that they'll be arrested for firing it up. :)
EDIT: From re-reading your comment, it seems you're suggesting that this wasn't part of a larger operation, but that actual charges were brought because of a single aberrant entry in the access logs? I find this hard to imagine, but if true, I would guess that this is more along the lines of "abuse of police power to harass an enemy" than "literally a random dude who just visited our site in a text-based browser". I've read access logs for many years now and even small sites get all kinds of weird things in there, it doesn't seem plausible that something like that would flag off any kind of detector. Do you have a link to more details about the case?
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#944Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're right, content will always be pirated. However, security and rights management is never about definitive solutions. DRM makes it hard for 99% of the people and that's enough for copyright holders. They can focus their resources on the other 1% (unfortunately including poeple with legitimate reasons). I'm not agreeing with this but it's how it is and I don't see that changing. I agree with another commenter tha…
>DRM makes it hard for 99% of the people I don't think this is true. You can find illegal streams for many (most? (all?)) TV shows with a quick Google search. It's also pretty common knowledge that TPB and similar torrent sites exist, and you don't have to be in the top 1% of computer users to install a BitTorrent client.
Not in my experience. I couldn't even find a 2016 movie on the top torrent sites last week.
If all you watch is Game of Thrones and other globally popular shows, then yeah, I'm sure it's trivial.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#945Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In politics, very often, there are no strictly enforced rules, there are groups of pressures pushing in opposing directions. All power is ultimately politics, not rules. People can use politics to change the rules, which happens often through lobbyists, influence, or even force. Powerful actors operate on the level of politics; they write the rules. The plebeians operate at the level of rules. If I'm unhappy with s…
>>> The issues most people deal with in their everyday lives aren't important enough to motivate political action. Save for the fact that their life is completely shaped by politics. I like your analysis a lot, but I don't like your conclusion. Because ultimately, humans make politics, so one can influence them. In french there's a saying : if you don't care about politics, then politics will take care of you...
I agree with you; I meant to imply that as part of the mechanism.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#946Basically, unless you are writing a browser with decent marketshare, you defacto have no voice in making the standards. Basically, the only voices that matter are Mozilla (Firefox), Apple (Safari), Google(Chrome), and Microsoft (Edge/Explorer). Despite what any standard says, web developers are going to go by the behavior of the browsers do. The only company on the list of browser makers that really has any desire to…
The web has been engineered to a complexity level so grossly obscene that it is all but impossible for independent developers to produce fully independent web browsers anymore. You would need hundreds of millions of dollars in capital and strong leadership to produce a browser that would be successful in today's world. I could dedicate the rest of my life working 100 hours a week on a browser, and I would die before…
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#947Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's important is not what software exists somewhere where somebody could theoretically download and use it, but what software actually gets used. Most users don't even know what open source software is, much less where to find any; they use what comes with either Windows or OS X or their smartphone. Also, your software can be as open source as you like, but if it can't interoperate with the rest of the Internet, i…
> What's important is not what software exists somewhere where somebody could theoretically download and use it, but what software actually gets used. Most users don't even know what open source software is, much less where to find any; they use what comes with either Windows or OS X or their smartphone. The people who care about the "Open Web" and DRM know about open source software and the people who don't care, do…
But if every bank--or at least every bank I would possibly consider entrusting my money to--requires DRM, because DRM is the standard and all the major browsers use it and the bank doesn't want to go to the trouble of inventing all their own infrastructure just to avoid using DRM, then what bank do I switch to?
> Open Source software was never meant to control others property.
Exactly. So Open Source software does not address the problem I said it does not address. So we are in agreement on that point. Good.
But you were saying, in the post I originally responded to, that Open Source software will somehow prevent the web from becoming effectively a closed system. That would only be the case if Open Source software did address the problem that you and I both agree it does not address.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#948Earlier quoted context omitted.
The web has been engineered to a complexity level so grossly obscene that it is all but impossible for independent developers to produce fully independent web browsers anymore. You would need hundreds of millions of dollars in capital and strong leadership to produce a browser that would be successful in today's world. I could dedicate the rest of my life working 100 hours a week on a browser, and I would die before…
Correction: its the loss of _American_ net neutrality, places such as the EU for example already has enforced net neutrality for all members.
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#949Earlier quoted context omitted.
I read that as the poster being sarcastic-- the logic being that if the W3C made this decision, it must mean that the spirit in which Tim Berners-Lee created the web died some time ago. So Tim Berners-Lee "must be rolling in his grave," quite aside from the fact that he is still physically alive and doing fine.
Perhaps people are simply projecting what they think "the spirit in which Tim Berners-Lee created the web" is on the man? Even if he put words to them early on, it's easy for someone to claim lofty ideals when creating something and later realize that's not true to what they believe in. This whole fanboy-heroism is probably a big part of why people don't act for themselves and are left to cry when their 'glorious lea…
> "the web must remain a universal medium, open to all
> and not biasing the information it conveys..."
and the macarthur fellowship too, along with its cash.and somehow retract that big flashy olympic ceremony.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#950Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue you are ignoring is that only one person needs to "save and distribute" it, then the pirated version becomes easier to view than the DRMed version. The proof in the pudding is that every TV show and film is instantly available online to anyone who can work a BitTorrent client.
No. Netflix is way easier for me than torrenting. I've never pirated music, but I watched a few of torrented movies. However since the ITMS, Netflix and Amazon video become available in my country I never bothered with torrents. I don't even have torrent client on my computer.
My point was that DRM doesn't stop anyone torrenting the content - it only takes one person to break it, which will happen. It does mean some people won't be able to watch the content legally, which will push them away from the legal option.
The only thing DRM really stops is the "let me give you a copy" friend-to-friend copying, which is the equivalent of sharing a VHS copy back in the day. Is stopping that really worth pushing people away from your legal option?