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Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by TAForObvReasons » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 7:43 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #7

IBM wrote: post #3

>At a White House dinner in 2015, Mr. Zuckerberg had even asked the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, whether Mr. Xi might offer a Chinese name for his soon-to-be-born first child — usually a privilege reserved for older relatives, or sometimes a fortune teller. Mr. Xi declined, according to a person briefed on the matter. Laughed out loud at this. I can understand wanting access to the market but this is just embarrass…

It shows what kind of person Zuckerberg is. "Please sir, let Facebook enter China. Here, I'll even offer you my first born!" If he's willing to do this with his kid, what is he willing to do with our data? Sorry, I meant Facebook's data , according to their ToS.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.

http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims...

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by aarpmcgee » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 7:44 PM UTC

IBM wrote: post #3

>At a White House dinner in 2015, Mr. Zuckerberg had even asked the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, whether Mr. Xi might offer a Chinese name for his soon-to-be-born first child — usually a privilege reserved for older relatives, or sometimes a fortune teller. Mr. Xi declined, according to a person briefed on the matter. Laughed out loud at this. I can understand wanting access to the market but this is just embarrass…

Wow. That is gross.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by Steko » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 7:56 PM UTC

IBM wrote: post #3

>At a White House dinner in 2015, Mr. Zuckerberg had even asked the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, whether Mr. Xi might offer a Chinese name for his soon-to-be-born first child — usually a privilege reserved for older relatives, or sometimes a fortune teller. Mr. Xi declined, according to a person briefed on the matter. Laughed out loud at this. I can understand wanting access to the market but this is just embarrass…

The secret to a good kowtow is a very slight audible confirmation that your head has touched the floor. The person performing the kowtow needs to adjust the force they use depending on both the flooring material and the hearing ability of the audience (who are often elderly).

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by outoftacos » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 8:13 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #8

I find that the headline and the article mischaracterizes what is happening. The "Wild Web" was reigned in long ago by commercial interests. A distributed web with many small nodes would still be hard to control and police effectively. However as much the web has been centralized by the likes of Google, Facebook, and large media conglomerates effective government censorship is once again possible. This is like a wild…

This is par for the course for the NYT, the noble corporations are painted as heroes keeping us safe from the dirty wildlings who are about to topple the wall any day now.

They do the same thing with many (large) companies, the State Department, all military/intelligence branches, etc. It's how you get access, and they seem more willing to play ball and churn out these puff pieces over doing real journalism than anyone. The Times is the most prominent example of this pattern, but it's becoming more and pervasive.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by jquery » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

sctb wrote: post #10

jquery wrote: post #4

Zuck: People just submitted it. I don't know why. They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks

Please don't take us on generic tangents. You can tell if it's generic if you'd post it on any thread with a certain word in the headline, like "Facebook". https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Fair enough but it seems particularly applicable here where trusting FB's "what's on your mind box" = jail time.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by justinmk » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 8:17 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #8

I find that the headline and the article mischaracterizes what is happening. The "Wild Web" was reigned in long ago by commercial interests. A distributed web with many small nodes would still be hard to control and police effectively. However as much the web has been centralized by the likes of Google, Facebook, and large media conglomerates effective government censorship is once again possible. This is like a wild…

> A distributed web with many small nodes would still be hard to control and police effectively.

I would guess that today's distributed web (IPFS, etc.) has more content, and users, than the "wild web" of 1992 or whatever era you fondly recollect.

Yes, centralized players created tools that produced exponentially more content (and control). But it's lazy to blame that peripheral phenomenon for a perceived "loss".

The wild web still exists, and has the potential to grow (cf. Urbit). What's stopping it?

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by beepboopbeep » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 8:19 PM UTC

aarpmcgee wrote: post #12

IBM wrote: post #3

>At a White House dinner in 2015, Mr. Zuckerberg had even asked the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, whether Mr. Xi might offer a Chinese name for his soon-to-be-born first child — usually a privilege reserved for older relatives, or sometimes a fortune teller. Mr. Xi declined, according to a person briefed on the matter. Laughed out loud at this. I can understand wanting access to the market but this is just embarrass…

Wow. That is gross.

Ya. Zuck is not a good person.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by ameister14 » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 8:20 PM UTC

If we're going with the wild-west analogy, what's happening now is the transition from a Territory to a State. It was wild and ungoverned, then corporations moved in and created some order, and now governments see order and are moving in to take over management.

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by beepboopbeep » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 8:21 PM UTC

I think its perfectly fair to scrutinize and regulate a company that has such an immensely pervasive presence in the every day life of so many citizens. Yes, that applies to google to. Why should I trust them to be responsible?

Re: Facebook Faces a New World as Officials Rein in a Wild Web

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Post by vkou » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 8:23 PM UTC

scrumper wrote: post #9

AlexandrB wrote: post #8

I find that the headline and the article mischaracterizes what is happening. The "Wild Web" was reigned in long ago by commercial interests. A distributed web with many small nodes would still be hard to control and police effectively. However as much the web has been centralized by the likes of Google, Facebook, and large media conglomerates effective government censorship is once again possible. This is like a wild…

And, to complete the thought, the behavior of those corporate centralizers has rendered it politically acceptable for the government to do so.

Censoring speech has been politically acceptable for every single Western government, besides the US^, since at least WWII.

It has not yet brought about the collapse of civilization, or a descent into despotism.

^ It has also taken place in the US, but to a different extent.