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Sure, but you don't make the rules. Do you have evidence to suggest everyone is opposed to such policies? And I don't just mean they say they're opposed to them. I mean they truly oppose them, and that they agree with you on which criteria should be used to determine whether a rule or regulation meets that definition, and that they're totally unbiased in the application of those criteria?

>White nationalists refuse to understand...

They deny the theoretical possibility of such a rule? Or did they deny that the particular rules you discussed fit that description? Or did they deny that such rules were likely to be the only ones produced as a result of other racial groups having more political power, and that the more likely result would be rules which benefit those other racial groups?

>While the counterargument is simply "They took the jobs that no one wants to take",

And the counter-counter-argument is that if wages were not being driven down by immigrants, especially illegal ones who are more likely to hide their income, then the tens of millions of out of work Americans would have an incentive to move to the places where those jobs are available.

>After all, the economy expands...

There is no reason to believe that the benefits of the expanded economy are distributed evenly. There is actually quite a lot of reason to believe those benefits go mostly to people at the top of the income bracket whose wages are not driven down by immigration and whose businesses benefit enormously from the reduced labor costs.

>For whatever reason, white nationalists refuse to believe in...

Why would you expect that path to be the one we go down when every racial group has an incentive to act selfishly? What invisible hand is guiding them to work together for the benefit of all racial groups, rather than focusing their efforts on benefiting at the expense of others? Especially once the low hanging fruit on the latter tree has been picked?

>A wall, deportation-based policy...

The point of the wall and deportations is to stop the tide of changing racial demographics. Control over government authority is a zero sum game. You either win or lose office. Why would white people expect other racial groups not to use that power to further their own racial interests at the expense of white racial interests? Even if they pursue some policies which benefit everyone, why would anyone expect those to be the only policies they pursue?

Indeed. But only one side seems to be interested in advancing the "white race". And that's the side I'm interested in making SURE they lose. Note, I'm also against any sides that advance the "black race" above and beyond anything that's fair. (Ex: "Black Power", Racial Quotas, etc. etc.)

The political concept here is simply an issue of fairness and race neutrality. The Government should be race neutral and racially blind, and ideally so should society.

Let the best man (or woman) win the job, if said human is Black, White, Yellow, Purple, or Red... gay, lesbian, male, female or transgender. If the best people are chosen for each job without any bias, then the USA will be in a far stronger position than any other country in the world.

The side that is working on making sure EVERYBODY wins is the side I'm on. What side are YOU on?

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There are certain governmental policies that only benefit the white race. Unfortunately for you, I'm not white. I've got plenty of white friends and I'd hate for them to feel uncomfortable about the future and all, but I'm not going to do anything that benefits white people only. And most of the white people I know don't want an unfair whites-only advantage and/or policies either.

I agree that there are proposed policies that do nothing but hamper white people. And said policies (ie: Racial Quotas), are awful and terrible. We don't want to "hurt" anybody in our quest to improve this country.

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> The point of the wall and deportations is to stop the tide of changing racial demographics.

Erm, that's horrifying that you care about dominance of your race above all else and so casually support this idea.

Yes.

So whenever people start discussing policies which benefit one race over another, I give them the finger. Whether they're "Black Power" or "White Supremacists", its all the same to me. Unfair advantages towards one race will always be met with skepticism from me.

I'm not an idiot. There will always be selfish people who want to advance their own race above all others. And my response to them, whether they're Black, White, Yellow, Brown, Red or Purple, is the same. A giant middle finger.

My political aim is for equality for all.

> There are policy choices which must be made by governments in which there is no option which will result in equal benefit to all races. Indeed, there is no definitive way to even measure that which everyone would agree to. Do you agree with that statement?

Of course. The world isn't perfect, and I don't expect perfect policy decisions to be made all the time.

Take for example the current opioid epidemic. By and large, Opioid deaths have shown a great correlation to rural white women deaths. So any Opioid related legislation will naturally benefit rural white women more than other races and subgroups. (See here: https://wire.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/women-bear-greater...)

However, the Opioid epidemic affects us all. So I would support any fair legislation that deals with Opioids across the country (even if disproportionally, rural white women would get the primary benefit).

So even if "one race" or subgroup gets an unbalanced benefit (and in this case rural white women), the general cause of destroying the Opioid epidemic is a cause I can rally behind. Some issues affect us all, even if they affect some of us unequally. And that's where the power of fair governance comes into play.

Problems in our culture generally for some reason only plague one race or subculture at a time. Its the result of an imperfect world. So I understand that.

> I certainly haven't given you any reason to believe I care about the dominance of my race above all else.

"Stop the tide of changing racial demographics."

You said it, not me. You said the wall is a racial issue. Fundamentally, the wall is an immigration issue, but YOU chose to turn it into a racial issue.

At a certain point, when someone quacks like a white-supremacist, I start to think they're a white-supremacist. A typical conservative would have kept the discussion racially neutral, but YOU chose to turn it into a race issue.

If you want me to think of you differently, choose your words more wisely.

This is a democracy. You and I do.

The only question therefore, is if you support policies that I support. If you do not, then we do not work together and instead we work against each other in the system that has been created.

Just as "Black Power" advocates get a say, you and I get a say in the governance system of this country. As do "White Supremacists". But MY ideal is a system where no race is superior to any other race.

That's really all I'm trying to convince you of, that working on the ideal of equality for all is worth fighting for.

> It's an issue which affects the racial demographics of the United States, which over the past 50 years have been changing dramatically.

I can tell you aren't an idiot either. But come on, I know what you're going for.

> This discussion has been racial since the comment I initially replied to which suggested Donald Trump has a "solid pulse on scared white men".

Well congrats then, you've been played and trolled. Some would call this effect "getting triggered".

And you've continued to keep it racial instead of diverting it to more important, universal issues. For example, when I discuss the wall its typically about immigration policy, the needs of the labor force, and projections of the number of jobs we need.

"Racial Demographics" is very, very, very low on the list of shit I care about. I don't see why anyone should give an F about a 45% White population vs a 55% white population. But maybe you can explain to me why this is an important issue for you?

Or is that REALLY what you want to be talking about?

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Look, I understand the cause of propagating a US Culture where people speak English. I'm actually more conservative on this issue than most people are.

For example: there are plenty of examples of non-English speaking people getting in trouble in the local Bay in my State. Locals have issues communicating with them that a storm is coming in, and next thing we know, a few non-English speakers are lost in the stormy waters.

So I do have a belief that standardizing on English speaking in this country would be beneficial, especially in local / rural areas where its impossible to find a translator. There are truly cultural issues at hand to talk about that can benefit society as a whole.

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Now that I've given you an example of my perspective, I expect you to be able to "sell" this "protecting racial demographics" thing to me. What the hell are you talking about?

To be honest, your explanation doesn't seem very reasonable to me.

> I've tried to explain that. If you expected that other racial groups were going to use their political power to benefit their own race at the expense of your race, which is a totally reasonable outcome to expect, you might be concerned for the well-being of your descendants.

Seems to me the problem is unreasonably biased people. And yes, I agree they exist. The issue is you're stuck thinking that any other race is your enemy.

That's not how it works. Most Muslims, African Americans, and whatever minority is out there, just want equality. And yes, white-people too. In general: most people want equality. This isn't a racial issue. Equality is a concept that unites everybody.

There are a few bad apples out there: ISIS, Black Power, White Supremacists, NeoNazis, etc. etc. These people are all jackholes who favor their own race (or in ISIS's case: religion) over all others.

We should create systems to find and demonstrate "Hate Groups" and creators of racial tension and use our abilities to stamp them out.

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The minute you start talking about "racial demographics are weakening my race" however, you break the peace and you've broken the idea of racial equality. Its not demographics that are a problem, its the individual jackholes and jackasses who manipulate our political system for their gain.

Fortunately for America, these "haters" are in the gross minority. They're loud, they're proud and they show up in virtually every news story / protest. But their viewpoints are incredibly fringe.