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iOS 11 reviewed

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Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by odammit »

dionidium wrote: post #167
odammit wrote: post #160

I always see a lot of flak around space on iOS upgrades. I seem to always have a ton of space. I never delete iMessages, I take a fair amount of photos (16GB) and I have about 10GB of podcasts and 3GB of Spotify tracks... What generally burns up people's space on their iPhones? Am I just not taking enough photos?!

I seem to be in the same ballpark: - Photos & Camera 16.89 GB - Overcast 2.57 GB - GroupMe 1.12 GB

I have a bunch of random apps w/ 200-300MB but I still have about 79GB available of 128GB

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by mrks_ »

odammit wrote: post #160

I always see a lot of flak around space on iOS upgrades. I seem to always have a ton of space. I never delete iMessages, I take a fair amount of photos (16GB) and I have about 10GB of podcasts and 3GB of Spotify tracks... What generally burns up people's space on their iPhones? Am I just not taking enough photos?!

I think iMessage is the worst offender for most (at least it is for me). Every video or photo I receive eats up space until I remove it or it gets removed in 1 year.

Also, the base model only came with 16 GB for a long time, which I imagine most people didn't upgrade.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by grzm »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #168
grzm wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you provide a reference for this? Searching for "Safari permanent website data bug" didn't lead me to any definitive conclusion as to what you mean.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7910096?start=0&tstart=... Website data is viewable in Settings> Safari> Advanced> Website Data. Some items won't delete even if they appear so, when you check again you'll see them return. This is especially onerous considering Apple's stance on privacy. This happens even with private browsing on both iOS and OSX

Thanks for the reference. Given the changes Apple highlights in iOS 11, I'm surprised this wasn't addressed.

I'd be interested in reading a more technical, in depth piece on the issue looking at it from both the client and the server side (to determine exactly what is potentially available to an attacker). Browsing through 17 pages of user-submitted forum content isn't something I have a lot of patience for (though I suspect that's a reflection more of how little I am (perhaps naïvely) concerned about it).

Thanks again for following up with the link!

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by odammit »

mrks_ wrote: post #172
odammit wrote: post #160

I always see a lot of flak around space on iOS upgrades. I seem to always have a ton of space. I never delete iMessages, I take a fair amount of photos (16GB) and I have about 10GB of podcasts and 3GB of Spotify tracks... What generally burns up people's space on their iPhones? Am I just not taking enough photos?!

I think iMessage is the worst offender for most (at least it is for me). Every video or photo I receive eats up space until I remove it or it gets removed in 1 year. Also, the base model only came with 16 GB for a long time, which I imagine most people didn't upgrade.

iMessage is! Woah. I must be pretty tame. I saw a screen shot in the article with iMessage eating over a GB. I'm at a messily 61MB.

I've gotta up my social game.

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Post by scott_s »

Spooky23 wrote: post #49
darthbanane wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like they’re trying to educate me as a user that switching wifi off to save battery is not super smart. It’s true, the difference is minuscule at best (20-30 minutes of battery life) but maybe I want to micromanage to get these 20 minutes. Or because I am concerned about privacy. My take is that if you want to “educate” users on how best to use a feature you must leave them the freedom to do it wrong (depend…

Those 20-30 minutes matter when you travel, which is when the iPhone's undersized battery is already a liability. After about a year of wear and tear, a day trip to Manhattan requires an external battery or finding an outlet somewhere. Ditto on killing or removing abusive/"too big to fail" apps like Facebook and Facebook Messenger.

Before getting on the train to the city, I try to remember to put my phone in battery-save mode preemptively.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by Accacin »

jonathanbull wrote: post #9
walterbell wrote: post #3

No VPN button in Control Center? Do Apple employees use public wi-fi?

VPNs are configured in Settings->General. Any reason why that would need to be regularly toggled, out of interest?

I use a VPN 99% of the time, but when I want to watch some Netflix I have to turn it off. Not often, but enough to appreciate a nice toggle!

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by csomar »

odammit wrote: post #160

I always see a lot of flak around space on iOS upgrades. I seem to always have a ton of space. I never delete iMessages, I take a fair amount of photos (16GB) and I have about 10GB of podcasts and 3GB of Spotify tracks... What generally burns up people's space on their iPhones? Am I just not taking enough photos?!

No. You have the 128Gb version. If I recall correctly when buying the iPhone the options where 32Gb/128Gb.

As you did calculate, 32Gb is not enough for the usual person. 128Gb on the other hand, is very plenty.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by potatolicious »

walterbell wrote: post #34
darthbanane wrote: post #8

Review is not thorough. One huge change in the control center is that the wifi “toggle” doesn’t toggle wifi off anymore (wait what?). It just disconnects from the current network and doesn’t reconnect for a minute or so. If you don’t want to be tracked by wifi APs it seems you have to force touch settings into wifi and disable the adapter from there. Huge step backwards IMHO.

Yikes, this is a security issue. Does airplane mode still turn off wifi and bluetooth?

Like others have brought up - it isn't a security issue. Since iOS 8 MAC addresses have been randomized until the phone connects to the AP. Your real MAC is not exposed to random listening APs nearby.

It's been 3 years since your phone has been giving up its real identity while simply walking around.

There may be good reason to want your WiFi radio off (battery?), but the cited privacy issue has been solved on iOS for several years already.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by jclardy »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #103
masklinn wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Devil's advocate: you don't have to install iOS 11 on your four-year-old iPhone. That is in fact my plan, but is nonetheless frustrating.

The typical lifetime of an iPhone is so short, I can imagine that Apple will one day save themselves a lot of pain and cost and just limit each iOS release to a single phone / ipad release.

That's strange, I still see iPhone 4s/5/5s on the regular. The lifetime of my iPhone is typically a year, yes, but my used phones live on for many more years through other people after I sell them.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by masklinn »

X-Istence wrote: post #157
masklinn wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple OTOH has behaved this through their entire existence. Rosetta, Carbon and the Mac 68k Emulator are examples of the exact opposite. Apple does not hesitate moving forwards, but historically they provided large amounts of backwards compatibility, just not as cruft inside the existing system.

Rosetta was also removed after two or three releases. 32 bit support for applications in iOS was also supported for a couple of releases and is now gone. How is that not similar? I can't still run Rosetta to this date...

> Rosetta was also removed after two or three releases.

4 years.

> How is that not similar? I can't still run Rosetta to this date...

iOS 11 removed 32b support to hardware which supports it, Rosetta added PPC support to hardware which did not.

Something similar to Rosetta would be emulating Aarch32 after having removed hardware support for it, not removing software support for Aarch32 despite the hardware implementing it.

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