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W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Netflix allows you to download videos. I've watched several episodes of Star Trek on a train this way.

Not on desktop. I hate watching movies and TV on a small phone screen.

Windows 10 desktops can download content through the app.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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> It would be possible to create a browser that displays DRM content and ignores DRM. The DMCA makes this illegal. No browser vendor is going to take that risk. Maybe some anonymous developers will release a firefox fork or similar, but that's a big risk. Not to mention, most groups who pirate content tend to keep their methods secret and only release the content.

DMCA has no reach outside of USA.

But multiple regional equivalents exist.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Shame, shame, shame. We're losing the internet day by day, if we haven't done so already. I've seen people and posts here and there calling for attention on these issues, but imho it's all too subtle. We should start using harsher terminology for what's actually happening. This is flat out CORRUPTION, and I'm not seeing anyone express it as such. It's probably too late already, and unfortunately, this is merely a ref…

Frankly I'm far more interested in which developing or first-world locales, if any, exist where net freedoms like these are protected by the majority, rather than having to be fought for by the minority against a wave of complacency and apathy. I'm pretty much done with trying to fight the american capitalist ideology which empowers these companies to steamroll over the average consumer happy to give up their own rig…

Perhaps there is potential in Seasteading.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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I sort of hate the way things are turning out and also am not surprised. When I was 10 years old in the late 80s, everything was open to you if you wanted it. My next door neighbor has a 10 year old son who wants to learn programming. I gave him an older laptop of mine and offered to do some coaching with him about learning to program on the condition that he always has to do his homework first before we do any progr…

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Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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If there aren't already enterprise software firms investigating how to offer their SuperWidgetron 10000 HR system through EME in the browser, I will eat my hat. The single very small purpose will soon enough be worked around, messed with and extended to do more than it was ever "supposed" to - just look at JavaScript.

EME offers an interface to decode audio and video stream. How is what you're talking about even possible in that context?

Where is the source code of the DRM module that shows that the only thing the code do to the stream is decode audio and video?

Oh, that part is not part of the open part of the standard. The super cookies, the administrative hooks into the operative system, the access to everything from the webcam to the hard drive, all that is what the EME is talking to through an interface labeled audio and video stream. A perfectly sand boxed interface. The buss transporting data from the browser to the module is not very useful as an attack surface when you full control of the module itself.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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I agree. Back in the dark ages, when the battle of www vs Gopher was still on, I sided heavily on the side of Gopher because it didn't get in the way of the content. Gopher was a means to navigate the maze of content and most of the content was textual, postscript and neatly typeset. You could sit down with it and read it focused or print it out. We've regressed to the point where 5KiB of text comes with 2MiB of crap…

> And not postscript. Something you can author by hand. How about TeX? Many sites already use js libraries that integrate latex.

I hope this was intended as a joke? Most users struggle with simple typesetting conventions like underscore/asterisk. HTML tags (or CSS) are out of reach for the vast majority. TeX isn't even part of the known universe for users!

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Your assertion that standardizing DRM forces everyone to use it makes about as much sense as the assertion that teaching teenagers about condoms will make them all have sex.

"Don't worry, once we standardize it we won't have to use it!" Sure, I'd be happy to relegate you to subset of people I just ignore on the basis of their inability to learn from history.

Could you please leave out the personal attacks and instead participate in the discussion?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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> If people want to do something about it, they need to fork the web itself. HTTP, TLS, HTML, CSS, JS ... the entire stack needs to be scrapped and replaced with something sensible with a focus on simplicity. That's flash.

> That's flash Comedy aside, CSS isn't the problem, but if an experienced web-dev can't make a site without learning for 5+ years and then feel like they have no knowledge of web development then we have a problem, and that's where we are now. The problem with the long list of frameworks and libraries available is that there is no easy way to make a web2.0 site without years and years of learning and then the resulti…

What do you mean by "make a site"? I made qemu.org last year with 10-years-old knowledge of web development and, apart from the obviously not-done-by-a-graphics-designer theme, it _is_ a decent site, responsive and with a 2010s-ish look.

99% of websites can be done with either a static generator (lean) or WordPress (somewhat bloated, but really mostly standard libraries that can be cached and/or served by a CDN). The remaining 1% are the really bloated ones and sure they are the ones that we visit all the time (medium, BBC, whatever). But it's certainly possible to make a site with not too much knowledge of web development.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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> We've regressed to the point where 5KiB of text comes with 2MiB of crap, meaning a noise to signal ratio of 26dB which is insane! Unfortunately that's what the average layman wants. They want the SPA experience. That's what they want to pay for. What kind of professional am I if I don't give people what they want to pay for? > I've even had enough of building things on the web. It is a horrible horrible thing to ha…

>Seriously, modern web development is 90% chasing down bugs, security enforcement, and fixing compatibility issues. That's true of most modern development. It might be more painful on the web, I wouldn't know, but systems programming is not really any different.

I think the only real difference is that, generally speaking, systems programming standards and best practices don't change weekly. Or, maybe they do. I don't work in that field professionally.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Oh but don't worry! As soon as someone breaks www.cookbooksRus.com's "Encrypted Media Extensions," you or someone totally benevolent will be able to help render ANYONE's www.cookbooksRus.com browser-experience! Server-protection isn't always a 0-sum game against client-protection, but in this case it totally is.

Sure, and I'm sure the users will step up to fund your legal defense when you go down for violating the DMCA and CFAA and whatever else they can come up with.

Phooey & patooh! Obv the internet population doesn't know what's good for them. Politicians are WAAAAAY smarter than normal people. Everyone knows this.

One must simply route their VPN traffic through Eritrea => Thailand => Russia => Cyprus => China => back to some AWS server in SF & rejoice.

Just make it more expensive to trace you than the value of what you took/broke/F'd-with! Lawyers' fees not necessary!

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