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A Coca-Cola plant in Mexico uses 1.08M liters of water per day as wells dry up

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Re: A Coca-Cola plant in Mexico uses 1.08M liters of water per day as wells dry up

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Post by ChuckMcM »

Spooky23 wrote: post #94
artursapek wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does coca-cola charge for breast milk over there?

You probably haven't lactated. It's not that simple -- once a baby accepts formula, it's nearly impossible to breast feed. That's a big reason why breastmilk companies are ready, willing and eager to "help" with sample product. Hell, somehow two of those companies were able to estimate the birthdate that our child would have likely had if my wife hadn't miscarried early. They go to the expense of mailing 10 lb boxes…

I'm male (Father) of three daughters who all breast fed. They also occasionally got formula when it was not possible to breast feed them but it did not change their breast feeding at all.

There is a lot of noise around breast feeding on the Internet but if you've got references to something other than apocryphal about formula preventing breast feeding I'm sure my daughters would like to know about it.

Re: A Coca-Cola plant in Mexico uses 1.08M liters of water per day as wells dry up

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Post by sliverstorm »

wyc wrote: post #34

> ...the company has permits for two wells to extract a total of 499,918 cubic meters of water per year, or 499.9 million liters. In 2016, the company extracted 78.8 percent of the permitted total. So the government gave Coke the permits, Coke used under 80% of the agreed amount, and now it's a crisis? It has the markings of some severe utilities planning blunder. > "The city has been growing significantly since the…

Shutting down may not be desirable, but water efficiency might be. I don't know Coke's manufacturing line, but in the days of cheap acre feet, many industries would go through it like it was... water. Why drip irrigate when you can flood irrigate for cheaper.

Re: A Coca-Cola plant in Mexico uses 1.08M liters of water per day as wells dry up

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Post by sliverstorm »

3pt14159 wrote: post #39

Water is a tricky thing. Take almonds for example. One almond takes about 4 liters of water to produce. With 1.6 billion pounds of almonds grown per year we're looking at almost 2.5 trillion liters of water. This is just one nut. Pistachios and walnuts use similar amounts of water, so do other things we eat like broccoli. I blame Coca-Cola and their ilk for the obesity epidemic, but water shortages are more caused by…

Farming isn't the problem, manufacturing isn't the problem. Water rights & water law is the problem. Nobody pays a fair market price for water, whether ground or rain water, and until then we will continue to see squandering & rampant abuse.

The tricky part is ownership. Who owns groundwater? Who owns rainwater?

Re: A Coca-Cola plant in Mexico uses 1.08M liters of water per day as wells dry up

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Post by esarbe »

fapjacks wrote: post #140
ada1981 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My cousin adopted a kid from near the US Mexican border. She told me when they first brought him home (he was 5), that he could barely speak, was terrified and kept screaming "oda!". They thought perhaps Oda was the name of his brother who was sold into slavery by his birth mother. He was unrelenting in his crys. Finally, exhausted, my cousins husband sat down at 3am and opened a Coke to drink. The boy pointed and sc…

What you call a "horror" is what most human beings throughout history would call "life". Not only history, but most human beings throughout the world today. We in the developed world enjoy a dream-like existence few in the whole of human history have ever known. Legit the biggest problem some people will have today is that someone forgot they didn't want guacamole on their burrito. Unfortunately, this has a way of co…

This.

> We in the developed world enjoy a dream-like existence few in the whole of human history have ever known.

You just have to ask yourself; how many of my ancestors were able to afford a hot shower in the morning and you begin to realize, how mind-fuckingly amazing the life we have actually is.

Thanks for putting it into words.

Re: A Coca-Cola plant in Mexico uses 1.08M liters of water per day as wells dry up

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Post by esarbe »

wyc wrote: post #34

> ...the company has permits for two wells to extract a total of 499,918 cubic meters of water per year, or 499.9 million liters. In 2016, the company extracted 78.8 percent of the permitted total. So the government gave Coke the permits, Coke used under 80% of the agreed amount, and now it's a crisis? It has the markings of some severe utilities planning blunder. > "The city has been growing significantly since the…

> So the government gave Coke the permits, Coke used under 80% of the agreed amount, and now it's a crisis? It has the markings of some severe utilities planning blunder.

Qui bono?

Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by corruption. Or something like that. In situations like these (international megacorp and their offspring making deals in countries with 'emerging markets') I tend to take a very cynical view. I'm pretty sure that whoever signed those deals doesn't have to rely on these wells.

You raise some good points, though.

Re: A Coca-Cola plant in Mexico uses 1.08M liters of water per day as wells dry up

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Post by LyndsySimon »

wtetzner wrote: post #131
LyndsySimon wrote: post #127

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On its face, it seems like it cannot be true. The main ingredient in Coca-Cola is filtered water. If Coke is cheaper than water in these communities, then why isn't the company selling bottled water for the same price? Their bottling and distribution costs would be the same, while the cost of ingredients would decrease . It makes no economic sense for Coca-Cola to not sell bottled water in this context. Lacking an ec…

Maybe it's because it's harder for companies to compete with Coke than with bottled water? If Coca-Cola is selling bottled water, then another company could come in and start selling bottled water as well, and there's really nothing interesting to differentiate them. But while another company can sell soda, they can't sell Coke. So getting people used to Coke means they'll always instinctively reach for Coke when the…

If that's that case, what's stopping another company from selling bottled water today?

Re: A Coca-Cola plant in Mexico uses 1.08M liters of water per day as wells dry up

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Post by pixl97 »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #146
wtetzner wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's because it's harder for companies to compete with Coke than with bottled water? If Coca-Cola is selling bottled water, then another company could come in and start selling bottled water as well, and there's really nothing interesting to differentiate them. But while another company can sell soda, they can't sell Coke. So getting people used to Coke means they'll always instinctively reach for Coke when the…

If that's that case, what's stopping another company from selling bottled water today?

Um, the fact they would have to have deep wells to get any out of the ground, and that the water authority doesn't have any to extra water reserves to sell them. So, yea, it seems like there is quite a lot keeping competitors from selling products.

Re: A Coca-Cola plant in Mexico uses 1.08M liters of water per day as wells dry up

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Post by Spooky23 »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #141
Spooky23 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably haven't lactated. It's not that simple -- once a baby accepts formula, it's nearly impossible to breast feed. That's a big reason why breastmilk companies are ready, willing and eager to "help" with sample product. Hell, somehow two of those companies were able to estimate the birthdate that our child would have likely had if my wife hadn't miscarried early. They go to the expense of mailing 10 lb boxes…

I'm male (Father) of three daughters who all breast fed. They also occasionally got formula when it was not possible to breast feed them but it did not change their breast feeding at all. There is a lot of noise around breast feeding on the Internet but if you've got references to something other than apocryphal about formula preventing breast feeding I'm sure my daughters would like to know about it.

The key is in the first few days to teach mother and child how to latch to the breast.

If your wife and daughters breastfed in the hospital or immediately thereafter and then supplemented, that is different (and lower ROI) scenario.

There’s a ton of published material on the topic.

Re: A Coca-Cola plant in Mexico uses 1.08M liters of water per day as wells dry up

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Post by Dylan16807 »

esarbe wrote: post #144
fapjacks wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you call a "horror" is what most human beings throughout history would call "life". Not only history, but most human beings throughout the world today. We in the developed world enjoy a dream-like existence few in the whole of human history have ever known. Legit the biggest problem some people will have today is that someone forgot they didn't want guacamole on their burrito. Unfortunately, this has a way of co…

This. > We in the developed world enjoy a dream-like existence few in the whole of human history have ever known. You just have to ask yourself; how many of my ancestors were able to afford a hot shower in the morning and you begin to realize, how mind-fuckingly amazing the life we have actually is. Thanks for putting it into words.

That's no excuse for locking a child in a closet. Your ancestors may not have had hot showers or supermarkets but the children would either be with their parents or roaming free. A kid helping farm is better off in so many ways than one trapped in a tiny room.
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