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Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by Scirra_Tom »

lawl wrote: post #11
Scirra_Tom wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're speaking out for the terrorists? I'm struggling to see the point of that quote.

Yes, I believe even terrorists should be able to say whatever they want. I'd actually prefer them shitposting on twitter rather than killing people.

I disagree that everyone should have a platform to say anything. Allowing hatred and violence can normalise it.

Also, if someone got on a soapbox outside your house and starting preaching violence I don't think you'd be celebrating the exercising of their rights - you'd probably call the police.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by [deleted] »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #12
Scirra_Tom wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're speaking out for the terrorists? I'm struggling to see the point of that quote.

Yes? Are you afraid they can defeat you with tweets? The risk of normalizing suppressing speech is greater than the risk of terrorism.

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Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by i_cant_speel »

chrissnell wrote: post #10

I understand why Twitter might not want ISIS accounts on their service but from a national security standpoint, it seems better to have the communication happening on a U.S.-based service like Twitter than some darknet or crypto-centric app.

I think it's more trying to stop people from finding those darknet sites in the first place. I'd imagine they are using Twitter to bring people to the sites where the real conversations go on.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by Apocryphon »

virmundi wrote: post #14
lawl wrote: post #4

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Who defines what is considered terrorism and what isn't? Once censorship infrastruc…

Unfortunately, you'll see the American ideal of free speech quickly purged from the Internet as American companies shed their nationalism for profit. The EU does not hold speech as dear as the US. As the EU gains more power, they'll pressure American firms to conform to their laws. Since the firms have EU headquarters, they will. If the American firms wore that mantle with pride (and paid the taxes that go with it),…

It's arguable that the American ideal of free enterprise trumps free speech in this era- and such corporations have always had the right to police speech as they'd like. Private entities and all that. If you don't like it, perhaps you should support anti-monopolist policies.

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Post by virmundi »

josefresco wrote: post #15
lawl wrote: post #4

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Who defines what is considered terrorism and what isn't? Once censorship infrastruc…

Twitter is a business - they are not rounding people up for extermination. This is a poor, and hyperbolic comparison.

They are increasingly a major conduit for speech. Isolating people from Twitter isolates them from their inherent right to speech. This does two things a) sets precedence for future speech limitations and b) makes it harder for us to track people associated with terrorism. Both are bad since they historically lead to more violence.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by Scirra_Tom »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #12
Scirra_Tom wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're speaking out for the terrorists? I'm struggling to see the point of that quote.

Yes? Are you afraid they can defeat you with tweets? The risk of normalizing suppressing speech is greater than the risk of terrorism.

I'm afraid allowing terrorists a free platform to preach will influence people and normalise what they are doing and be a detriment to wider society.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by austenallred »

lawl wrote: post #4

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Who defines what is considered terrorism and what isn't? Once censorship infrastruc…

"First they came for the terrorists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a terrorist."

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by jameskegel »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #12
Scirra_Tom wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're speaking out for the terrorists? I'm struggling to see the point of that quote.

Yes? Are you afraid they can defeat you with tweets? The risk of normalizing suppressing speech is greater than the risk of terrorism.

I'd argue we should let them post what they want and monitor them as they freely associate with their cohorts and note the patterns/relationships. This seems like such an obvious answer that I can only assume that I'm either way off, or this is some type of marketing to engender some type of patriotism response among those not yet signed up or active on Twitter.

Re: Twitter Suspends 300k Accounts Tied to Terrorism in 2017

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Post by alexasmyths »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #12
Scirra_Tom wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're speaking out for the terrorists? I'm struggling to see the point of that quote.

Yes? Are you afraid they can defeat you with tweets? The risk of normalizing suppressing speech is greater than the risk of terrorism.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

The tweets are valuable propaganda to ISIS.

They are consumed by billions of young impressionable minds all over the world, inducing them to 'take up the cause'.

ISIS does not have the right to 'free speech'.

Stopping ISIS from spreading their selfie vids of how they burned people alive and 'You can too!' - is not controversial.

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