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Facebook’s war on free will

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Re: Facebook’s war on free will

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"You can't force everyone in your life to communicate on your terms..." Isn't that what many people and groups on Facebook have done? Why feed that mentality? People who will only communicate with you through Facebook are likely not worth communicating with, as that signals that they don't think you're worth the extra effort. Email and telephone are still quite valid and effective means of communication.

It's not that they force you to use Facebook, you find that it's simply the most optimal way to communicate - to use Mark's own words it's "friction-less". Some people you will text, call, email and no response - message them on FB and bam , instant reply. I realize that's pretty f*cked up but it's useless to scold or hound them to respond to your other inquiries. "People who will only communicate with you through Fa…

"Really? You're suggesting I cut people out of my life who want to communicate via Facebook over other mediums? Pretty harsh."

True. But I think Facebook's usefulness is outweighed by its disadvantages. It's an ever-watching anxiety machine: look at this latest atrocious news story, react to the asinine post an acquaintance has made about their life, respond to this event, post more because you haven't in a little while, watch this video about somebody having a life better than yours (or somebody having a horrible time, which may also happen to you, so watch out!), share your contact information for others so we may increase the webbing to keep you in our walled garden!

It's a need machine. It's the worst enabler-friend. It's not in a symbiotic relationship with you; it's parasitic. And IMO Facebook doesn't improve ones life; it merely facilitates using Facebook more and more often to do things that otherwise we either wouldn't do or wouldn't consider a real hassle.

Re: Facebook’s war on free will

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Honestly, I think the right company with the right marketing could make Facebook completely irrelevant. All you'd need is a basic address book/profile functionality + basic messaging + event planning. Perhaps a use as a universal login, as many do like that. They would lose a ton of users if the network effect would catch on, which is obviously the big hurdle. It would also be a curious case of brands being left with…

FB's tentacles are so deeply embedded in everything that I'm not sure a classic tech death from a disruptor is possible. Only a long and slow decline over a period of 5, maybe even 10 years.

> I'm not sure a classic tech death from a disruptor is possible

Well, FB's brand itself is super toxic these days, so you could probably build something on the whole "we're not FB" premise

Re: Facebook’s war on free will

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> The problem is that when we outsource thinking to machines, we are really outsourcing thinking to the organisations that run the machines. This is the money quote of this article, and it's been on my mind quite a bit as of late. More than ever, we live in a world where there are many forces ready to take full advantage of our laziness. It takes a bit of introspection to really understand the tradeoffs that are appr…

Possibly tangential, but that's yet another reason we need to fight for control of our computers, instead of outsourcing everything to commercial vendors in the cloud, and making everything so dumb that everyone can "master" it within 5 seconds of seeing it. Things don't have to be this way, computers can be used to augment human thinking.

vendros - mind blown

Re: Facebook’s war on free will

#134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly tangential, but that's yet another reason we need to fight for control of our computers, instead of outsourcing everything to commercial vendors in the cloud, and making everything so dumb that everyone can "master" it within 5 seconds of seeing it. Things don't have to be this way, computers can be used to augment human thinking.

vendros - mind blown

A typo. Fixed. Thanks!

Re: Facebook’s war on free will

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post #65

> The problem is that when we outsource thinking to machines, we are really outsourcing thinking to the organisations that run the machines. This is the money quote of this article, and it's been on my mind quite a bit as of late. More than ever, we live in a world where there are many forces ready to take full advantage of our laziness. It takes a bit of introspection to really understand the tradeoffs that are appr…

" I'm really getting the feeling that my friendships have been hacked (and tainted) for someone else's profit."

Your comment makes me remember the concept of commodification.

I didn't think before about this in this way, but it seems that Facebook (and relates services) could be though as the commodification of our friendships.

Re: Facebook’s war on free will

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Of course they don't care about people. The social network that the members enjoy is merely a side-effect of the true business. Sort of like the fact that a cow pasture is not really about the cows' enjoyment but, when you get down to it, hamburgers. Amazingly most people are still as oblivious to this concept as cows are before becoming hamburgers. What I am wondering about is the possibility of a social network tha…

I think the obstacle there is momentum and critical mass. Nobody uses askjeeves.com because Google has mindshare. If you were to build this hypothetical pure social media communication platform we'd still have to find it, it'd have to be funded, maintained, and improved. Even then it's useful only if you can get your network on it. Money is the root of all evil and will pervade into whatever is next. It's only human…

Maybe we're all thinking about this in a way that's too constrained?

The theoretical dream of cyberspace, back in the 60-80's, before "the web" (as we know it) was that merely being "online" automatically put you in a global community: a place where distance no longer mattered, and where _all_ text is part of one giant hypertext. This was roughly the idea as described by Ted Nelson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson).

I think there's a way for this theoretical concept to be realized without dependence on exploitative commerce-oriented websites, and perhaps, without dependence on websites period. Unfortunately, I have no idea what that will be like in reality.

Re: Facebook’s war on free will

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post #65

> The problem is that when we outsource thinking to machines, we are really outsourcing thinking to the organisations that run the machines. This is the money quote of this article, and it's been on my mind quite a bit as of late. More than ever, we live in a world where there are many forces ready to take full advantage of our laziness. It takes a bit of introspection to really understand the tradeoffs that are appr…

Moreover, the machines in question becomes more and more capex intensive, therefore they are less and less reachable for organizations which don't have the financial resources. The winners-takes-it-all means that the winner gets a lot of control...

Re: Facebook’s war on free will

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This was written so disrespectfully and dismissively of programmers, hackers and engineers that I have a hard time reading it, despite my extreme distaste for Facebook. >In the labs of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) during the 60s and 70s, they broke any rule that interfered with building the stuff of early computing, such marvels as the first video games and word processors. Also, Calling a 33 year…

Yeah, he couldn't, for whatever reason, bring up advertisers but instead chose "those early hackers" pushed for this.

Re: Facebook’s war on free will

#140

This was written so disrespectfully and dismissively of programmers, hackers and engineers that I have a hard time reading it, despite my extreme distaste for Facebook. >In the labs of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) during the 60s and 70s, they broke any rule that interfered with building the stuff of early computing, such marvels as the first video games and word processors. Also, Calling a 33 year…

Get used to it. The tech backlash is just beginning. There are two forces. One is the series of gaffs by Google, FB, and Amazon and the resultant public awareness of their power. The second is Trump's election. When he set up his initial meetings with business leaders at the beginning of his administration, the tech giants were notably not invited. He sent the signal that they were not part of the real economy. Say w…

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/01/investing/apple-cash-oversea...

Your supreme leader will find it difficult forcibly seizing the hundreds of billions of dollars from the current biggest drivers of the economy to get them out of "his" economy.

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