W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
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Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#552Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you don’t like DRM then get legislation made. But you’ll never do that because even without the giant lobbying budgets I don’t see why lawmakers would make it illegal. Well, a broad-based pressure group making them think they'd lose office if they didn't support such a thing is the only way anything like that ever gets passed. A lot of folks in Congress didn't want to see JASTA passed but felt they had no choice…
This the only possible way to win on the long run.
Would an anti-DRM law actually be constitutional?
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#553Basically, unless you are writing a browser with decent marketshare, you defacto have no voice in making the standards. Basically, the only voices that matter are Mozilla (Firefox), Apple (Safari), Google(Chrome), and Microsoft (Edge/Explorer). Despite what any standard says, web developers are going to go by the behavior of the browsers do. The only company on the list of browser makers that really has any desire to…
Who watches Netflix with their browser?
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#554Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of people think that the battle here is EME versus DRM-free content, but that's not the case. You can still have all the DRM-free content you want, whether that's YouTube videos or iTunes MP3s. Really, the decision being made is between EME and Adobe Flash. Flash was the one cross-platform way to serve DRMed content before EME. And now that EME is ratified, Adobe, Microsoft, Google and Mozilla can all work toge…
You don't need to embrace DRM in order to stop using Adobe flash. The multiple browser currently in use for the last few years that don't have adobe flash installed is a rather strong proof of that. you would have an argument if EME came first and then flash had started to decline, but that is a false history. Flash started decline many years ago, and EME was forced onto the standard as an reaction to that. W3C aband…
Netflix has never existed without DRM. Flash, Winevine or whatever other technology they use, they've always had something. Without it, they would never be allowed to exist by the people who own the content. It's naive to believe they would just stop using DRM magically.
They would find another more hacky, less secure and less user-friendly solution, and everyone would be worse for it.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#555Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is really the issue. If we could convince media rightsholders that DRM is harmful and unnecessary then all of this heartache wouldn't be necessary. I don't expect this to happen in my lifetime. Any slight glimmer of hope from Apple ditching DRM on iTunes has died as nobody else shows the slightest interest in following their lead.
It seems self-evidently unharmful, in that we appear to be in a golden era of delivering content online so extraordinary that it threatens traditional television networks. I understand that this is an extremely unpopular sentiment on HN, but here goes: at least with respect to video content, the industry seems to have largely proven DRM concerns unfounded. Update: modulo the Hickson concerns below. Continuing: DRM ce…
DRM is harmful. Its prerequisite is that users do not control their hardware. This has far reaching consequences that go well beyond media consumption and entertainment.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#556Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I would suggest not underestimating Mozilla's market influence. They have no market influence. They have maybe ~10% of the market globally (I've seen figures between 5-15%), and that's primarily desktop - which is decreasing daily. On mobile it's even worse (probably less than 1%). Any influence they have solely extends to the desktop, and that's not the primary way people are interacting with the internet nowadays…
Market share isn't immutable! Market share changes based on capabilities. I dropped IE for FF when I got a basic understanding of computers, I dropped FF when it became clear it was a memory hog, and now I kind of toggle between Chrome and FF. I think that, with killer features like breaking out of DRM, the market share could change.
> I think that, with killer features like breaking out of DRM, the market share could change.
Indeed, that would kill Firefox once and for all.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#557Basically, unless you are writing a browser with decent marketshare, you defacto have no voice in making the standards. Basically, the only voices that matter are Mozilla (Firefox), Apple (Safari), Google(Chrome), and Microsoft (Edge/Explorer). Despite what any standard says, web developers are going to go by the behavior of the browsers do. The only company on the list of browser makers that really has any desire to…
Who watches Netflix with their browser ?
If I'm on my computer as opposed to a mobile or TV device, I use the browser. It's not as often, but I definitely have done so, even within the past week.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#558Shame, shame, shame. We're losing the internet day by day, if we haven't done so already. I've seen people and posts here and there calling for attention on these issues, but imho it's all too subtle. We should start using harsher terminology for what's actually happening. This is flat out CORRUPTION, and I'm not seeing anyone express it as such. It's probably too late already, and unfortunately, this is merely a ref…
Do you have any evidence or reason to believe there is actual corruption on the committee (aside from them making a decision you disagree with)? I suspect I agree with you on DRM but this style of debate, where there is no attempt to argue or explain the issue, and the first line of argument is personal attacks or denigrating anyone with an opposing viewpoint, is depressing. Consider that accusing climate scientists…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h94ZKGVg-B8&t=8m23s
If they are not corrupted they certainly acted in an extremely suspicious way.
I advise you to watch the whole video because it gets better and better, the press conference part in particular.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#559My fear is that DRM for video content will quickly become DRM for text content. Say goodbye to adblocking and tracker blocking.
This is what canvas+webASM is designed to do. Legit content and tracking scripts will be delivered to your browser as a single binary blob.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#560Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The web needs these media companies more than the media companies need the web When you hear about the multi-billion dollar fines and the immense amount of resources spent chasing down and punishing pirates, I have a hard time following this argument. I'd argue that the content owners and media companies need to get on board with providing the most seamless, easy to use, and accessible product for consuming their w…
Do us a favor and actually think your cunning plan through for a minute. Why should content owners post their products for free consumption? What is the incentive for them to do that? How much money do you think they will make? In case you haven't noticed, the web is losing to apps at every level, from things like Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat to shopping apps. Even newsreaders are being turned into apps. My parents on…
Requiring a server to playback the media is already the strongest form of DRM possible. If that's not enough they can just make their own native applications that implement all the DRM that they could possibly want. The only disadvantage of a native application is that they are not crossplatform and EME CDMs aren't exactly cross platform either. They are native code that require the module to be ported to the operating system that.
What's the point of the web if it's just another crappy proprietary platform? EME is basically Flash 2.0.
>Such a sad loss for the web..
What loss? Is the only purpose of a software platform to devour everything without any integrity and it's worthless if it fails to adhere to the will of multibillion dollar companies?