Someone should fork w3c.
W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mozilla ended up accepting EME in 2014, because otherwise it would have become "the browser where you cannot see videos" https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-missi... "We have come to the point where Mozilla not implementing the W3C EME specification means that Firefox users have to switch to other browsers to watch content restricted by DRM."
> Mozilla ended up accepting EME in 2014, because otherwise it would have become "the browser where you cannot see videos" Rather: "the browser where you cannot see DRM-infected video" - which is an active protection of the user against malware.
which is an active protection of the user against malware.
You should look at how Mozilla implemented EME then. The CDM is sandboxed, in a much stricter sandbox than the rest of the browser even. So no, the CDM potentially being dangerous (for privacy or security) isn't actually that much of an issue.
Of course, someone might at some point claim that the privacy features harm the copyrights protection, at which point choices will have to be made.
History provide ample evidence that Mozilla will make the choice their users ask for (which is, by the way, not necessarily the choice some users will voice the most loudly).
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#323Shame, shame, shame. We're losing the internet day by day, if we haven't done so already. I've seen people and posts here and there calling for attention on these issues, but imho it's all too subtle. We should start using harsher terminology for what's actually happening. This is flat out CORRUPTION, and I'm not seeing anyone express it as such. It's probably too late already, and unfortunately, this is merely a ref…
I think it's time to start contemplating alternatives to the Web.
The interests of users are no longer front and center. The past several years of the Web platform's evolution have been characterized by privacy invasions, out of control Javascript, spammy push notifications, AMP... and now this.
This is not what many of us signed up for. I don't know if there even are alternatives to the Web at this time but when you can't trust even the standards bodies to act in your best interest, it's time to start talking about how we could walk away from the whole thing.
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#324Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#325My fear is that DRM for video content will quickly become DRM for text content. Say goodbye to adblocking and tracker blocking.
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#326I wish we could fork W3C.
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#327Shame, shame, shame. We're losing the internet day by day, if we haven't done so already. I've seen people and posts here and there calling for attention on these issues, but imho it's all too subtle. We should start using harsher terminology for what's actually happening. This is flat out CORRUPTION, and I'm not seeing anyone express it as such. It's probably too late already, and unfortunately, this is merely a ref…
If someone launches a new HTML-based Web with crippled javascript (no network comm access, for one, including ability to trigger links or forms), some small, restricted subset of CSS, and much better built-in dynamic table and form elements, I'm there.
This Web's about to be eaten by DRM and WebAssembly anyway. Pretty soon it'll just be a way to deliver QT apps (or some other framework that runs in WebAssembly and renders to OpenGL or similar) and video. A web where the only thing you'll find when you follow a link is more documents (or a download) and pages can't try to make your computer do a bunch of stuff you don't want it to would be nice to have again, and it's clear now that the system itself has to ban the capabilities that enable all the garbage, or it'll take over.
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#328"This specification does not define a content protection or Digital Rights Management system. Rather, it defines a common API that may be used to discover, select and interact with such systems as well as with simpler content encryption systems. Implementation of Digital Rights Management is not required for compliance with this specification: only the Clear Key system is required to be implemented as a common baseli…
Does not define a specific method of DRM, only an interface to those methods of DRM
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#329Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#330I am so mixed about this. In principle, this is a terrible idea, and I share many of the concerns in this thread -- I am not a fan of DRM. But as a consumer/end-user, I'd much prefer a standard DRM over Flash/Silverlight any day of the week. The real question is how we get rid of DRM in the long term. Piracy isn't going away. Hopefully content owners will one day realize the economic cost of implementing DRM isn't wo…
> The real question is how we get rid of DRM in the long term And your answer is "embrace it in the short term"? It's this 'give them an inch' bullshit that's been fucking the consumer in the ass for countless years. > Hopefully content owners will one day realize the economic cost of implementing DRM isn't worth its return "Maybe if we wish on marshmallows and rainbows, this statement will come true this time!" > I…
I don't disagree with you, but the average consumer just doesn't know enough to care. We don't have the power to not 'give them an inch' until the consumer is educated, and pretending we do isn't getting us anywhere. Simply put, we have no leverage, the W3C has no leverage. Consumer education is the most powerful tool we have here, which is why the EFF etc. is so important, but this is necessarily a long term strategy.
> "Maybe if we wish on marshmallows and rainbows, this statement will come true this time!"
Well it worked with music... You can now buy DRM-free music in lots of places.
The music industry realized it just wasn't worth the investment to insist on DRM, and it was actually harming them (consumers were becoming confused, didn't want to buy music not knowing if it'd work on their next device, etc.)