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W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by ajross »

jhallenworld wrote: post #72
Accacin wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DRM doesn't and will never work. It only serves to annoy people that pay for the movie/game/whatever legitimately. It's against everything the W3C stands for. You dont' have to support something just because it's happening. You fight it, you don't give into it.

>will never work As in it can't be secure? Well it's tied in with trusted computing, see this Widevine document: https://storage.googleapis.com/wvdocs/Widevine_DRM_Architect... If all of the decryption takes place in a "trusted zone" on "your" device, then it's pretty secure.

"Pretty secure" needs to be qualified though. Yes: there are DRM implementations without known holes. There is, however, no DRM protected content I'm aware of anywhere that doesn't exist in a high quality unprotected form somewhere indexed by TPB or wherever.

I mean: yes, average users can't crack their Netflix app. Everyone can still grab Stranger Things via torrent as soon as it drops. So does that count as "working?"

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by riquito »

yellowapple wrote: post #111
emodendroket wrote: post #100

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And which browsers are going on this fork?

If Mozilla has any integrity, then I suspect Firefox might.

Mozilla ended up accepting EME in 2014, because otherwise it would have become "the browser where you cannot see videos" https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-missi...

"We have come to the point where Mozilla not implementing the W3C EME specification means that Firefox users have to switch to other browsers to watch content restricted by DRM."

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by rocqua »

phkahler wrote: post #62

Now is the time to make it possible for individuals to use DRM when they publish videos online. How often do media companies show peoples stuff on TV and such without permission? Of course youtube ToS allow that, but this should all be changed ASAP. When large amounts of content actually come from individuals, it's the individuals rights that need to be protected. When will we see DRM for the masses?

That seems about as viable as allowing anyone to be a certificate authority. This system relies on a list of trusted keys, that chain of trust needs to be anchored somewhere. Notably, easy implementations depend on controlling all trust anchors.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by matchagaucho »

sboselli wrote: post #38

Shame, shame, shame. We're losing the internet day by day, if we haven't done so already. I've seen people and posts here and there calling for attention on these issues, but imho it's all too subtle. We should start using harsher terminology for what's actually happening. This is flat out CORRUPTION, and I'm not seeing anyone express it as such. It's probably too late already, and unfortunately, this is merely a ref…

One day HackerNews is chastising W3C for not adding encryption to the Payment Request API.

The next day HN is lamenting about a standard encryption API being defined.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by thephyber »

ArchReaper wrote: post #190
bigfoot wrote: post #134

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No. For simple economic reasons, such as too much testing effort vs. too little revenue.

For "simple economic reasons" you believe companies will go out of their way to block Linux users for some reason? If the browser supports it, that's all that really matters.

Companies browser-sniff, rather than feature-sniff.

They shouldn't. But they usually do.

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Post by wolfgke »

sgift wrote: post #207
wolfgke wrote: post #177

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> What good is integrity if nobody uses Firefox ? That was the main reason they added EME support in the first place. This was rather the point of Fall of Men ("Zeitpunkt des Sündenfalls") in Firefox' history to me. It was also the point in time where I stopped donating to them.

And what's your solution (proposal) for the problem they faced?

> And what's your solution (proposal) for the problem they faced?

Make the zero-tolerance for DRM a unique selling point of Firefox.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by azakai »

yellowapple wrote: post #111
emodendroket wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And which browsers are going on this fork?

If Mozilla has any integrity, then I suspect Firefox might.

Mozilla opposed EME very strongly. But when it was clear that Google, Microsoft and Apple all supported it and were shipping it, Mozilla was forced to ship it as well (with a flag that makes it easy to disable for users that want to).

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by wolfgke »

riquito wrote: post #212
yellowapple wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Mozilla has any integrity, then I suspect Firefox might.

Mozilla ended up accepting EME in 2014, because otherwise it would have become "the browser where you cannot see videos" https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-missi... "We have come to the point where Mozilla not implementing the W3C EME specification means that Firefox users have to switch to other browsers to watch content restricted by DRM."

> Mozilla ended up accepting EME in 2014, because otherwise it would have become "the browser where you cannot see videos"

Rather: "the browser where you cannot see DRM-infected video" - which is an active protection of the user against malware.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by Crontab »

noja wrote: post #188
Ajedi32 wrote: post #136

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Tim Berners-Lee isn't dead. And if you read the article, you'll see that he was actually the one who originally overrode the EFF's objections to publishing a DRM standard in the first place.

I think you missed the sarcasm.

Correct. I wanted have put a sarcasm tag on my comment but I wasn't sure if it was supported by the W3C and their corporate overlords.
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