For the record, the EFF only joined the W3C to fight EME in the first place. They're not resigning in protest, they're leaving the group because they didn't win the single battle they joined for the purpose of fighting.
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#82DRM can't work in theory, but it is working in practice.
If someone writes a piece of software that allows downloading of DRM-ed content (without losing quality, and playable anytime) from the big names (Netflix, Amazon, etc), then this battle would be won.
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#83Can anyone explain what are the possible implications of this?
I am imagining a bunch of annoying add-ons to access news articles and what not, but is there a potential to carry over to smaller or niche spaces?
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#84Shame, shame, shame. We're losing the internet day by day, if we haven't done so already. I've seen people and posts here and there calling for attention on these issues, but imho it's all too subtle. We should start using harsher terminology for what's actually happening. This is flat out CORRUPTION, and I'm not seeing anyone express it as such. It's probably too late already, and unfortunately, this is merely a ref…
How come we don't know WHO sold us out for that beach house?
Apparently one of them is Tim Berners-Lee?!?
He's the Director of W3C as far as I know.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#85Shame, shame, shame. We're losing the internet day by day, if we haven't done so already. I've seen people and posts here and there calling for attention on these issues, but imho it's all too subtle. We should start using harsher terminology for what's actually happening. This is flat out CORRUPTION, and I'm not seeing anyone express it as such. It's probably too late already, and unfortunately, this is merely a ref…
What's going to happen without a standard? A bunch of proprietary plugins?
> What's going to happen without a standard? A bunch of proprietary plugins?
What is supposed to be happen is a zero-tolerance and active fightback against anything DRM-related in the web - be it in the browser or be it a plugin.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hogwash, there is more open source software now then ever before.
Developers are using open source. End users not so much, except open source bundled into their apps as libraries to actually power them. Getting an app into users hands nowadays is becoming gatekeeped more and more. Either through fearmongering (buy those certs for your apps approved by Gatekeeper X) or literal gatekeeping on app stores. You can argue that people don't have to use locked down app stores, but then you…
I couldn't agree more, and on top of that it is getting harder and harder to use open app stores. More and more devices are locked down.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#87Shame, shame, shame. We're losing the internet day by day, if we haven't done so already. I've seen people and posts here and there calling for attention on these issues, but imho it's all too subtle. We should start using harsher terminology for what's actually happening. This is flat out CORRUPTION, and I'm not seeing anyone express it as such. It's probably too late already, and unfortunately, this is merely a ref…
> We're losing the internet day by day, if we haven't done so already. Let's just "fork" the web from W3C (or 3WC as some people like to call them by now) instead.
Is the EFF a big enough presence to "fork" the W3C standards? I hope so.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is really the issue. If we could convince media rightsholders that DRM is harmful and unnecessary then all of this heartache wouldn't be necessary. I don't expect this to happen in my lifetime. Any slight glimmer of hope from Apple ditching DRM on iTunes has died as nobody else shows the slightest interest in following their lead.
It seems self-evidently unharmful, in that we appear to be in a golden era of delivering content online so extraordinary that it threatens traditional television networks. I understand that this is an extremely unpopular sentiment on HN, but here goes: at least with respect to video content, the industry seems to have largely proven DRM concerns unfounded. Update: modulo the Hickson concerns below. Continuing: DRM ce…
The really insane part is that the DRM is pointless anyway, you can go onto any file sharing/streaming site within minutes of a Netflix release dropping and it's there in HD.
I still maintain my netflix account 1) because my mum uses it with her Roku and 2) because they should be paid for providing value and good TV.
I have the technical skills (like nearly all HN readers I'd imagine) to stream whatever I want with essentially 0% chance of getting caught but I don't because NF has most of the content I want to watch and I don't watch that much anyway.
Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns
#89I'm afraid of this becoming the status quo. Everything is going to be a binary blob that you either download and run or you don't. It's really shortsighted to say "if Hollywood doesn't get DRM, you won't get Netflix". The market is there, it just wouldn't have been as easy for Hollywood to do so.
Now we have made it easy (and even standardized it!).