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Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet officer who averted nuclear war, has died

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Re: Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet officer who averted nuclear war, has died

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When AIs are making life and death decisions (because there are only microseconds to act), will they hold their fire in the name of humanitarianism? Would an AI have launched the missiles?

Let’s not connect autonomous AIs to our nuclear weapons launch systems, please!

Re: Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet officer who averted nuclear war, has died

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rt.com is a russian tv station funded by the government. It is a proganda outlet for Russia. one can assume kgb involvement and vetting of their stories. so this story seems benign enough, but bear in mind the source and consider what their motivations might be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

Similar to the BBC for England or many countries which have state television.

Not really.

The BBC is a pretty independent body, and criticizes the government often. RT is a propaganda arm of the government and is under its direct control, as all mass media in Russia now (with few exceptions).

Re: Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet officer who averted nuclear war, has died

#123

rt.com is a russian tv station funded by the government. It is a proganda outlet for Russia. one can assume kgb involvement and vetting of their stories. so this story seems benign enough, but bear in mind the source and consider what their motivations might be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

Similar to the BBC for England or many countries which have state television.

Ah you must be a Russian government employee. It is not similar at all. There is no editorial independence at rt.com. It is a tool of the KGB used for info wars. The BBC is staffed by independent journalists and is often quite critical of the UK government.

Please do not posit a false equivalence between totalitarian kleptocracies and western democracies, whatever the flaws of the latter.

Re: Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet officer who averted nuclear war, has died

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One would think proper first strikes would be compromised of SLBMs. Then again, it's not a proper Cold War strategic game theory play unless you're banking on your enemy to hesitate due to the unusual nature of the attack. SLBMs scream first strike, while a few birds out of many launching from farm country in the central United States in sequential fashion, not so much. That said, I'm not sure what would have consitu…

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Re: Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet officer who averted nuclear war, has died

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This remind me of a recurring theme in "Doctor Who" fictional stories (I'm bing watching right now). There no such thing as an unimportant person because countless time in the stories the world or even the universe have been saved by ordinary people and nobody will ever know about them. Only this is real life, this is deeply amazing. I feel so much gratitude and kindnesses for this man. RIP Станислав Евграфович Петро…

> There no such thing as an unimportant person And on that theme, when I wore uniform we were told never to use the term VIP but instead NP, Notable Person. Which I thought was a good workaround as it separated fame from "importance"

Perl Conference first-time attendees are VIPs: very important to Perl. This separates authority from importance. This might be their only visit, so we should make it worthwhile.

On the theme that anyone can save the world, I think of the Lord of the Rings. And particularly of Samwise Gamgee.

Re: Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet officer who averted nuclear war, has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t take this case and generalize. In fact, the US’ strategy was a first strike with a handful of nukes and a second, huge wave after the first strike took out main communication/decision centers. So if this had been a real strike, having this intelligent person disregard protocol could have ended in a disaster for the Soviet Union. …On the other hand, a not-so-intelligent person that blindly followed protocol…

>On the other hand, a not-so-intelligent person that blindly followed protocol would have caused the downfall of the US and Soviet Union I was reading on the Cuban missile crisis last night. There not one but several instances where the Americans said 'if x happens, we nuke the soviets', and then when x happened they didn't (for example, the downed U2 incident). The Soviets probably had just as many of those incident…

The Cuban Missile Crisis is fascinating. I think the US military was absolutely ready to go to war, but thankfully they were reined in by the civilian leadership. Some parts of the US military had been pushing for a preemptive strike on the Soviets for years (thinking, correctly, that the Soviets had little capability to strike back at the US, but that it would not remain that way for much longer) and saw Cuba as a good opportunity to finally get it done. That scene from Dr. Strangelove where General Turgidson says the US would "get our hair mussed" with a mere 10-20 million dead was a pretty accurate portrayal of how a lot of the military leadership thought. And they pushed Kennedy hard to go to war. A more bellicose president could have easily been swayed by them, and we'd be living in a different world today.

Re: Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet officer who averted nuclear war, has died

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As a religious person it is my belief that only divine protection saved us from nuclear annihilation during that era. If you think about the primitive state of that technology, the amount of brutal, stupid men that walked around in the military and the number of close calls, you really have to wonder how it did not happen.

Really respectful to take away his heroic act and give credit to a fantasy-figure. /s

Why does believing God was involved mean Petrov wasn't heroic? Perhaps God was why the hero Petrov was there when he was?

Re: Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet officer who averted nuclear war, has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar to the BBC for England or many countries which have state television.

Ah you must be a Russian government employee. It is not similar at all. There is no editorial independence at rt.com. It is a tool of the KGB used for info wars. The BBC is staffed by independent journalists and is often quite critical of the UK government. Please do not posit a false equivalence between totalitarian kleptocracies and western democracies, whatever the flaws of the latter.

You seem a little paranoid there, no I’m not a Russian employee, I know RT will be pro-Russian. Don’t fool yourself western media ha bounds to it’s criticism too, due to the way it’s structured. Anyway the piece in question is on a well known Soviet hero, I had heard of him before. Cheers to him.

Re: Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet officer who averted nuclear war, has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar to the BBC for England or many countries which have state television.

Not really. The BBC is a pretty independent body, and criticizes the government often. RT is a propaganda arm of the government and is under its direct control, as all mass media in Russia now (with few exceptions).

The BBC is quite balanced, I watch Russia today and find it similar in tone to most western outlets, both state owned and private ... screeching on about terrorism. Repetitive, mundane. They’re all quite openly propagandistic from my point of view.
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