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Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Post by dforrestwilson »

coldtea wrote: post #8
cdolan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also do not think the author or editor were removed from their positions

Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?

I think it's partly an issue with retractions. Information can be kind of insidious, even when the consumer knows it is false. Fox news does tons of retractions (of course), but it's the way they do it that really tells you what they are about.

I'm all for free speech, but I wish we could get a handle on people saying completely wrong things for profit.

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Post by iskander »

coldtea wrote: post #9
anvandare wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You either die a counterculture or you live long enough to become the culture." The young/anti-establishment people of the 60's and 70's are the old/establishment people of today.

And, at the same time, there are no young/anti-establishment people of today of any consequence. Not in any such numbers as to constitute an actual counter-culture anyway...

The anarchist scene has seemed thriving in every city I've lived in.

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Post by VLM »

coldtea wrote: post #9
anvandare wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You either die a counterculture or you live long enough to become the culture." The young/anti-establishment people of the 60's and 70's are the old/establishment people of today.

And, at the same time, there are no young/anti-establishment people of today of any consequence. Not in any such numbers as to constitute an actual counter-culture anyway...

Alt-right elected a president against incredible legacy media opposition...

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Post by spodek »

sortaThrowaway wrote: post #3

Was on and off reader of RS. Their non/half apology for their University of Virginia rape story really turn me off. They didn't seem to understand (or care?) what they did wrong and thus didn't really apologize.

> University of Virginia rape story

False rape story with easily discoverable falsities and lies, yet incredibly lax editing

as a cover story with bold graphics

with real, innocent victims who had nothing to do with anything, yet were punished and their property vandalized.

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Post by cdolan »

coldtea wrote: post #8
cdolan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also do not think the author or editor were removed from their positions

Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?

Perhaps this is why the Rolling Stone is for sale then?

Author and Editor fail to validate highly sensitive claims in an incredibly amateur fashion. * they did not even ask the accused for comment*.

Rather than separate from the author and Editor, and help them find a career elsewhere, the publication gives a pretty weak apology and doubles down on two individuals who obviously failed to follow basic journalism standards.

They don't need to be "parriahs", but I do think it rubbed readers the wrong way when RS continued to defend their work and ultimately gave a sour retraction ('we were hoodwinked!') and weak "sorry!".

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Post by Allower »

anvandare wrote: post #4
Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #2

I like to read about the 1960s counterculture in Europe and North America. It was always funny to see Rolling Stone in the list of "underground newspapers" of the Sixties, because for my generation, it has always been a completely ordinary and conventional magazine that you can buy anywhere. Also amazing is that Time Out , which will strike most people today as an unremarkable and boring listing of events, was consid…

"You either die a counterculture or you live long enough to become the culture." The young/anti-establishment people of the 60's and 70's are the old/establishment people of today.

Sounds pretty. but i dont really buy it. Maybe SOME of their ideas have been absorbed into western cultures, but many have not, many continue to be anti-establishment ideas today.
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