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Re: Google debuts Tez, a mobile payments app for India

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"Government of India has made it mandatory to link your Aadhar number with your Tez account. Please link your Aadhar number to enjoy uninterrupted service." - Waiting for this to happen. My Indian friends say they are getting these messages from the Income Tax department, their banks and even their ISPs, e-wallets providers, telcoms etc.

This is a story i'm trying to understand. 1. Indian Government wants to emulate something like SSN (in the US) as a single identifier for every citizen in this country. 2. This is an easy way for a Government to track the actions of every individual digitally and financially - end of Privacy!

Lots of countries have single (or even multiple) identifiers for every one of their citizens. It's not the end of privacy, it's business as usual.

Related, I wonder how the UK deals with their citizens not having a national ID?

Re: Google debuts Tez, a mobile payments app for India

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> English, Hindi, Bengali, Gujarati, Kannada, Marathi, Tamil, and Telugu. In all my years of living in India, I've not come across one person using anything other than English. Most people, even in IT, hadn't the slightest clue about how to type their own language into a PC. Didn't stop them from being "proud" of though.

Being an app developer here; the reality can't be further than this. From our figures atleast 30% of our base use it in their vernacular. English is only a good start; if you really need to penetrate the masses - localization is a must.

Re: Google debuts Tez, a mobile payments app for India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) SSN is not really a model for a unique identifier for every citizen. Immigrants have SSNs too, and can have different ones if they have done multiple stays in the country. You also can live without an SSN in the US. 2) I mean... the government is entitled to know where your money is coming from if they are asking you for taxes. otherwise, there would be no way to combat tax fraud. This is not a new thing.

Why not confine this number to banking, then.

yes, just read the news that driving licenses have to be linked with aadhar. Phone numbers have to be too. Pretty soon it would be impossible to do anything without aadhar = end of privacy

Re: Google debuts Tez, a mobile payments app for India

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"Government of India has made it mandatory to link your Aadhar number with your Tez account. Please link your Aadhar number to enjoy uninterrupted service." - Waiting for this to happen. My Indian friends say they are getting these messages from the Income Tax department, their banks and even their ISPs, e-wallets providers, telcoms etc.

The recent decision of Supreme Court about right to privacy will prevent this in future. I'm not sure about what exactly will happen to Adhaar ID but, we may see that linking-it-with-every-account thing reduced a lot.

I remember 1-1.5 years ago, the Supreme Court had asked the government to publish widely in print and electronic media to make it clear that Aadhar was not mandatory. It was never done. I don't really see a situation where the government would back out of Aadhar, regardless of supreme court rulings. The court has reiterated this many times but the government has shown that it does not care.

“The Union of India shall give wide publicity in the electronic and print media including radio and television networks that it is not mandatory for a citizen to obtain an Aadhaar card.”

Source: http://www.livelaw.in/supreme-court-says-aadhaar-act-keeps-u...

Re: Google debuts Tez, a mobile payments app for India

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a story i'm trying to understand. 1. Indian Government wants to emulate something like SSN (in the US) as a single identifier for every citizen in this country. 2. This is an easy way for a Government to track the actions of every individual digitally and financially - end of Privacy!

1) SSN is not really a model for a unique identifier for every citizen. Immigrants have SSNs too, and can have different ones if they have done multiple stays in the country. You also can live without an SSN in the US. 2) I mean... the government is entitled to know where your money is coming from if they are asking you for taxes. otherwise, there would be no way to combat tax fraud. This is not a new thing.

But the way Aadhaar usage is being conceived by the Govt it seems to do more with the "tracking" aspect of it than finding trails of money. In fact it has little to do with the "money". For that we already have had PAN numbers (in case of individuals) which are unique and the Govt and the Income Tax department has record of it, so do the banks.

Also, the way Aadhaar has been handled by the private contractors (the way the contracts were given are also very questionable), and the way they have gotten unrestricted, unregulated access to it (and it doesn't seem someone has been done to curb this) is really disconcerting as a citizen.

Then, there's "Snoopgate". It was hushed as if it never existed.

Re: Google debuts Tez, a mobile payments app for India

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Tez means Fast or Speed in hindi. Fun Fact: In the 1994 Keanu Reeves movie the number plate for his car is 646 TEZ.

Must be Arabic or Persian in origin...

Persian and Hindi are both Indo-European languages, so they share a common root.

(Arabic isn't in that language family).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

Re: Google debuts Tez, a mobile payments app for India

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Tez means Fast or Speed in hindi. Fun Fact: In the 1994 Keanu Reeves movie the number plate for his car is 646 TEZ.

Must be Arabic or Persian in origin...

According to the Armenian-Turkish language researcher Sevan Nişanyan[1], it is of Persian origin, with a likely link to the Old Turkish "Tez", which means escaping. Going very off-topic here but it's interesting if you like etymology: In modern Turkish "Tez" means "in a short time", but also "thesis", which we borrowed from French who took it (ultimately) from Old Greek "títhēmi" which is evolved from the root "*dhē-" (to put) in the Proto-Indo-European language.

[1]: http://www.nisanyansozluk.com/?k=tez1&lnk=1

Re: Google debuts Tez, a mobile payments app for India

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a story i'm trying to understand. 1. Indian Government wants to emulate something like SSN (in the US) as a single identifier for every citizen in this country. 2. This is an easy way for a Government to track the actions of every individual digitally and financially - end of Privacy!

Lots of countries have single (or even multiple) identifiers for every one of their citizens. It's not the end of privacy, it's business as usual. Related, I wonder how the UK deals with their citizens not having a national ID?

We ask citizens to verify their identity with either passport, driving license or other forms of id alongside perhaps some evidence of bills that have been delivered to their address.

We would have had ids a decade ago if the government didn't try to tie it into an encompassing database that would have allowed the Home Office to perform joins between driving, health and police records at whim. Also that legislation would have explicitly allowed the Home Office to effectively repeal citizenship at a touch of a button as it was also going to be used as the only means of access to healthcare and benefits. If they'd been less greedy with the initial implementation they could have started down this road. If they had a track record of delivering IT projects we might have trusted them.

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