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Isaac Newton's prediction that the world would not end before 2060 (2015)

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Re: Isaac Newton's prediction that the world would not end before 2060 (2015)

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Flagged because the title isn't just misleading, but completely wrong. Newton did not predict the world would end in 2060, he claimed that the end of the world would not happen until at least 2060, precisely to challenge claims that it _would_ end in the nearer future (way back in the 1700s).

Ok, we reworded the title above to reflect that.

It's good not to let a bad title spoil a good article. The material is interesting and well on topic for HN.

Re: Isaac Newton's prediction that the world would not end before 2060 (2015)

#12

Flagged because the title isn't just misleading, but completely wrong. Newton did not predict the world would end in 2060, he claimed that the end of the world would not happen until at least 2060, precisely to challenge claims that it _would_ end in the nearer future (way back in the 1700s).

I agree the headline shows unnecessary certainty. Likewise, "world ending" and "apocalypse" aren't necessarily the same thing, especially when it comes to someone with nonconformist religious views like Newton. But I would counter that it isn't "completely wrong," at least based on Prof. Snobelin's commentary, which the article links to:

https://isaac-newton.org/statement-on-the-date-2060/

Here's a relevant quote:

"Since Newton believed that the 1260 years corresponded to the duration of the corruption of the Church, he added 1260 to 800 A.D. and arrived at the date 2060 for the “fall of Babylon” or cessation of the apostate Church. It seems that Newton believed the fall could perhaps begin somewhat before the end of the 1260-year period and continue for a short time afterward. Whatever the precise chronology, Newton believed that sometime shortly after the fall of the corrupt (Trinitarian, Catholic) Church, Christ would return and set up a 1000-year Kingdom of God on earth."

So yes, it would be more accurate to say that "Newton predicted the apocalypse would happen sometime around the year 2060," but I don't think the headline is completely off base here.

Re: Isaac Newton's prediction that the world would not end before 2060 (2015)

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Complaints about the headline aside, it is the perfect sort of doomsday prophecy story. It is far enough away that the people who pulled it out of Newton's writing will be forgotten, its near enough that the reader could imagine being alive at that time and wondering what would happen. Erich von Däniken exploited this in his "Ancient Astronauts" stuff, predicting the Mayan's called it with a 2012 extinction event (wh…

Singularity prediction dates are subject to a similar reasoning.

But the deadline guarantees a second public attention in your life time when you can promote a new deadline for the same or a nee story.

Re: Isaac Newton's prediction that the world would not end before 2060 (2015)

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post #7

Complaints about the headline aside, it is the perfect sort of doomsday prophecy story. It is far enough away that the people who pulled it out of Newton's writing will be forgotten, its near enough that the reader could imagine being alive at that time and wondering what would happen. Erich von Däniken exploited this in his "Ancient Astronauts" stuff, predicting the Mayan's called it with a 2012 extinction event (wh…

This idea was explored at the beginning of Ghostbutsters II when Venkman interviewed someone who didn't leave enough time to print paperbacks of his prophesy. One should always think about the economics of a doomsday before committing to a specific date.

Re: Isaac Newton's prediction that the world would not end before 2060 (2015)

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post #4

If you're interested in this topic, you should also have a look at this article ( https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2011/januaryfebruary/feature/... ) and Keynes' wonderful lecture on the topic. In fact Newton was pre-Newtonian in terms of scientific rigor. You can perhaps say similar things about most revolutionary scientists, i.e. rarely do they fully realize the y have wrought. I think Newton being the "Last Magician…

PG has a relevant post on this, where he explains that he thinks of Newton as having made several "bets" on different systems of thought, and we remember the ones that paid off. http://www.paulgraham.com/disc.html

Re: Isaac Newton's prediction that the world would not end before 2060 (2015)

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In other words: Newton, brilliant of a lot of things, not so on many other things. We need to accept that, as his attempts to produce gold and invest his money show.

For the record, something very bad will happen by the third Sunday, of the third month, of the 2033 year. Not necessarily on that day, but by then.

Re: Isaac Newton's prediction that the world would not end before 2060 (2015)

#19

In other words: Newton, brilliant of a lot of things, not so on many other things. We need to accept that, as his attempts to produce gold and invest his money show. For the record, something very bad will happen by the third Sunday, of the third month, of the 2033 year. Not necessarily on that day, but by then.

> as his attempts to produce gold and invest his money show.

Isn't that just called an "entrepreneur" these days?

Re: Isaac Newton's prediction that the world would not end before 2060 (2015)

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post #19

In other words: Newton, brilliant of a lot of things, not so on many other things. We need to accept that, as his attempts to produce gold and invest his money show. For the record, something very bad will happen by the third Sunday, of the third month, of the 2033 year. Not necessarily on that day, but by then.

> as his attempts to produce gold and invest his money show. Isn't that just called an "entrepreneur" these days?

On the gold thing maybe I was too harsh...shouldn't judge him because I read Wikipedia some 300 later.

But, basically a great actor or scientist's opinion, outside his field, shouldn't be given extra attention or credibility.

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