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Alan Kay is still waiting for his dream to come true

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Re: Alan Kay is still waiting for his dream to come true

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If people could understand what computing was about, the iPhone would not be a bad thing. But because people don’t understand what computing is about, they think they have it in the iPhone, and that illusion is as bad as the illusion that Guitar Hero is the same as a real guitar. That’s the simple long and the short of it. Some kids learn guitar. Some kids fantasize about learning guitar. Apple makes machines that en…

Should kids just look at sand castles?

Re: Alan Kay is still waiting for his dream to come true

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I have total respect for Alan Kay but I hope he stops criticizing other people and actually shows his vision through his own execution (and by execution I don't just mean invention of a prototype but actual productization and distribution) If you're building something visionary and are not the one who's making tons of money off of it, you have two solutions: 1. IF you're interested in making money: Try to figure out…

> and actually shows his vision through his own execution

As Steve Jobs reportedly was fond of saying, "Great artists ship."

Re: Alan Kay is still waiting for his dream to come true

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I have total respect for Alan Kay but I hope he stops criticizing other people and actually shows his vision through his own execution (and by execution I don't just mean invention of a prototype but actual productization and distribution) If you're building something visionary and are not the one who's making tons of money off of it, you have two solutions: 1. IF you're interested in making money: Try to figure out…

> and actually shows his vision through his own execution As Steve Jobs reportedly was fond of saying, "Great artists ship."

Among the shallowest of cheapjack Silicon Valley slogans. But certainly revealing of its ethos. In such a climate one could be forgiven for imagining that not everything has to be a commercial product to be used, appreciated, or valuable. What slovenly "artists" we had in the government oh so long ago, who never "shipped" the Internet.

Re: Alan Kay is still waiting for his dream to come true

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It is painful that most desktop apps never even got branching undo/redo.

I'd heard vim does, but when the situation came where I needed it, it turned out I'm fine with just moving back in time.

The "undo tree" in Emacs is a thing of beauty and really helps with interacting with the undo state. https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/UndoTree

I certainly agree I can get by without it. It does seem like daily I will pull up the tree, though, to walk up and down the history to make sure I understand what the last thing I did was.

Re: Alan Kay is still waiting for his dream to come true

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post #10

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It is painful that most desktop apps never even got branching undo/redo.

I'd heard vim does, but when the situation came where I needed it, it turned out I'm fine with just moving back in time.

I've used vim + emacs's undo tree quite a bit. It's really nice to be able to make a bunch of explorative changes to the code base, undo them, make another set of changes and then use the undo tree to recover interesting bits from another branch.

Re: Alan Kay is still waiting for his dream to come true

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There are plenty of things worth doing that are not profitable. If anything, the people who made the profits where standing on the shoulders of giants like Kay; I think we can afford him some space to be grumpy over shitty execution and lack of vision. It's a matter of perspective; what you call cool things, Kay would call consumer bull crap; and I tend to agree.

If you're not building something for people, what are you building? Art? I'm fine with that, but just because you're making art, doesn't mean everyone else is an idiot. Also I think it's very condescending to think that others didn't have vision. Lastly it's cheap to criticize someone else for "shitty execution" when you yourself have the ability to show with your own execution but you clearly haven't. It's easy to t…

What does building for people (which I am) have to do with making profits (which I don't)? What about sharing? Building for profit is the opposite of building for people, the two mind sets are not compatible.

Re: Alan Kay is still waiting for his dream to come true

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If, like Alan Kay, you think we need a major overhaul in software construction and are in the San Francisco Bay Area, let me know. I'm part of a group that meets on Saturdays once a month and we work on side research projects toward that end. My email is in my profile.

Emailed! : -)

Re: Alan Kay is still waiting for his dream to come true

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Deconstruction is a way of viewing reality which comes naturally equipped with a process for disassembling ideas (the "deconstructive process") as well as a process for viewing ideas as the synthesis of other ideas (the "constructive process"). The core is this: all semantics are relative, all observations surface-level, and all truths buried in the raw materials. But since the materials are themselves relative, all…

I am far from an expert in Deconstruction, but I am an expert in mathematics and have read a fair amount on the foundations of mathematics. I find your description technically correct, but highly misleading. The vast majority of mathematicians will agree with "no one true foundation". However, unlike the bulk of postmodern/deconstructive work, they are then perfectly happy to say "this particular foundation is good e…

> What have the Deconstructionists done?

Deconstruction changed the way we think about what we read, see, and hear, and taught us to question the assumptions inherent in the same. It gave us the spaghetti western, cyberpunk, and arguably punk rock itself (and it definitely influenced hip hop and dub).

Always remember that postmodernism is "defense against the dark arts" for the left. The techniques of playing shell games with symbol and meaning were devised by the right and by corporations and weaponized against us; postmodernism exists to make us aware of these techniques.

But I didn't really bring up the Derrida fan to argue about deconstruction or postmodernist thought.

Re: Alan Kay is still waiting for his dream to come true

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post #62

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What should embarrass us so deeply and why? HTML and CSS are some of the most generative, enduring, and transformative technologies ever. I wouldn't fund anyone who doesn't recognize how great they are!

HTML & CSS were good for the early web, when it was a simple document layout platform. They're not ideal for building rich UIs and applications. Just because they've been extended to allow that doesn't mean they are the best tool for the job. Similarly, Excel is abused to do all sorts of things it's not intended for as well, when there are better options for databases, financial applications and data science.

There is a huge difference between Excel and HTML: the former is Turing-complete (in addition to containing Turing-complete scripting language(s)) and was like this for as long as I remember, while HTML is not. I guess CSS nowadays may be Turing-complete (?), but HTML is most decidedly not.

That difference means that it's orders of magnitude easier to "abuse" Excel to do some things it wasn't designed to do than to do the same with HTML. I seriously wonder if the reliance on HTML to this day is not a kind of "job security" thing for web devs (like myself, btw)...

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