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To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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Re: To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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This article doesn't have one mention of TMS or the work that John Sarno did? That is borderline irresponsible. Read "Healing Back Pain: The Mind Body Connection" by Jon Sarno.[1] I lived with chronic knee pain for over 8 years, and would routinely have "carpal tunnel like symptoms" with my wrists. Literally within a week of reading that book my knee pain was gone, and my wrists have not had any issues since. My pers…

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Re: To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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Not one mention of The Mindbody Prescription (if only to dismiss it)? If you're suffering from back pain, or carpal tunnel syndrome, or such ailments, read this book, it might change your life! (and if it doesn't it can't harm) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0446675156/

I read about three chapters of this and it cured my wrist pain. Never would have believed it possible if it hadn't happened to me.

Yep, exactly the same for me as well. I finally tried his "treatment" after everything else I tried failed, and was shocked to find it worked.

Re: To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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I've been living this horror for six years. If I could just magically stop using medicine and not being treated like a drug addict for merely taking prescribed medicine by all walks of society (from cops, to nurses, to neighbors), don't you think I'd have already fucking taken that choice? The majority of people don't want to be on pills. They want to get better. If I'm in too much pain to physically get out of bed,…

Serious question - have you ever done any weightlifting, specifically whole body functional movements like deadlifts, to address your back pain? http://spartascience.com/blog-post/strength/deadlifts-can-cu... Note: if you haven't, even though I strongly and emphatically recommend it, its almost certainly best to start with a coach who can teach proper movement mechanics.

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Re: To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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I feel you and I went through that horror too. By what I'm about to say please know that I don't mean to diminish the severity of your injuries and pain nor do I mean to suggest any lack of diligence on your part in finding the right treatment or implying that any treatment could work for you. I'm not going to bore you with my story except to say, looking back, I'm amazed I was able to endure such pain for so long. I…

With all due respect, "traditional Chinese Medicine" was invented by Mao because he couldn't afford to give his half billion strong agrarian proletariat actual medicine and didn't want them to notice. >“Even though I believe we should promote Chinese medicine,” Mao told him, “I personally do not believe in it. I don’t take Chinese medicine.” > In 1923, Lu Xun, China’s most famous man of letters, reflected critically…

It's interesting how we have this cohort of people who don't use TCM, have strong opinions about it, and have no trouble finding sources to back up their claims.

I don't argue with them. Because at one time I knew TCM was bullshit too.

Then we have this other cohort of people with chronic issues who exhausted, or are unsatisfied with, the treatments offered by western medicine. They go on to discover TCM, are healed and then swear by it.

I can't explain this stuff. I think it's weird, but it works.

I mean, you could say I'm a hypochondriac or I have some sort of psychosomatic illness... but I have the scans, labs, and diagnosis to prove it.

shrug

Re: To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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I've been living this horror for six years. If I could just magically stop using medicine and not being treated like a drug addict for merely taking prescribed medicine by all walks of society (from cops, to nurses, to neighbors), don't you think I'd have already fucking taken that choice? The majority of people don't want to be on pills. They want to get better. If I'm in too much pain to physically get out of bed,…

Hey man after 3 years I just finally beat back pain - it is possible. In my case it was physical therapy until i understood the routine to strengthen the core and stretching. I also changed how I work: no sitting, ever. Laying or standing. I lost weight (i am 6'1 got down to 165). I took stretching serious, you should be able to touch your toes. You need to drink milk. For depression find a position to work while you…

> I also changed how I work: no sitting, ever. Laying or standing

If you don't mind, could please tell me how do you lie down and work ?

Since I started suffering from back pain , I was thinking if something like this was possible. I was also afraid it would fuck up my eyes, have you had any problems of that sort ?

Re: To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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I feel you and I went through that horror too. By what I'm about to say please know that I don't mean to diminish the severity of your injuries and pain nor do I mean to suggest any lack of diligence on your part in finding the right treatment or implying that any treatment could work for you. I'm not going to bore you with my story except to say, looking back, I'm amazed I was able to endure such pain for so long. I…

I can second this opinion. I suffered 3 crushed vertebra at age 17, and was in a lot of pain for 10 years before I started seeing a unique doctor: he'd been a USA MD for 20 years when his wife died of cancer. He lost faith in western medicine from the experience of guiding his wife through her cancer treatments. So he went to China for 20 years, and became a Traditional Chinese Medicine doctor there, practicing in Ch…

Nothing beats a doctor with both eastern and western knowledge. You are lucky to have found him. This is really great thanks for sharing.

Re: To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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I've been living this horror for six years. If I could just magically stop using medicine and not being treated like a drug addict for merely taking prescribed medicine by all walks of society (from cops, to nurses, to neighbors), don't you think I'd have already fucking taken that choice? The majority of people don't want to be on pills. They want to get better. If I'm in too much pain to physically get out of bed,…

Serious question - have you ever done any weightlifting, specifically whole body functional movements like deadlifts, to address your back pain? http://spartascience.com/blog-post/strength/deadlifts-can-cu... Note: if you haven't, even though I strongly and emphatically recommend it, its almost certainly best to start with a coach who can teach proper movement mechanics.

Exercise (carefully monitored by health care professionals) will work for most people.

It doesn't work for all people.

I get the impression that katastic has made genuine effort to engage in a wide range of treatment, and is still not getting much if any pain relief.

People find it weird that we still don't have good treatment options for some types of pain, but that's the reality. Some people just have to live their lives in near constant pain.

Here's the Faculty of Pain Management with some information about pain: https://www.rcoa.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-awar...

And about the challenges of treating long term pain: https://www.rcoa.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-awar...

Re: To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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I've been living this horror for six years. If I could just magically stop using medicine and not being treated like a drug addict for merely taking prescribed medicine by all walks of society (from cops, to nurses, to neighbors), don't you think I'd have already fucking taken that choice? The majority of people don't want to be on pills. They want to get better. If I'm in too much pain to physically get out of bed,…

Serious question - have you ever done any weightlifting, specifically whole body functional movements like deadlifts, to address your back pain? http://spartascience.com/blog-post/strength/deadlifts-can-cu... Note: if you haven't, even though I strongly and emphatically recommend it, its almost certainly best to start with a coach who can teach proper movement mechanics.

Oh man, I want to read this article. Sadly, it'll have to wait. Be I'm on my phone, where I don't know how to turn off "light gray text on white background" style!

More on topic, I'm an anecdote of someone who squats and deadlifts to prevent pain in my back and hips. Stopping for a couple weeks usually allows the pain to return.

Re: To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question - have you ever done any weightlifting, specifically whole body functional movements like deadlifts, to address your back pain? http://spartascience.com/blog-post/strength/deadlifts-can-cu... Note: if you haven't, even though I strongly and emphatically recommend it, its almost certainly best to start with a coach who can teach proper movement mechanics.

Oh man, I want to read this article. Sadly, it'll have to wait. Be I'm on my phone, where I don't know how to turn off "light gray text on white background" style! More on topic, I'm an anecdote of someone who squats and deadlifts to prevent pain in my back and hips. Stopping for a couple weeks usually allows the pain to return.

To be honest, its not a great article. I'll try to find a better one.

Re: To treat back pain, look to the brain not the spine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question - have you ever done any weightlifting, specifically whole body functional movements like deadlifts, to address your back pain? http://spartascience.com/blog-post/strength/deadlifts-can-cu... Note: if you haven't, even though I strongly and emphatically recommend it, its almost certainly best to start with a coach who can teach proper movement mechanics.

Oh man, I want to read this article. Sadly, it'll have to wait. Be I'm on my phone, where I don't know how to turn off "light gray text on white background" style! More on topic, I'm an anecdote of someone who squats and deadlifts to prevent pain in my back and hips. Stopping for a couple weeks usually allows the pain to return.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25559899

> Recent studies have indicated that the deadlift exercise may be effective in decreasing pain intensity and increasing activity for most, but not all, patients with a dominating pattern of mechanical low back pain. This study aimed to evaluate which individual factors measured at baseline could predict activity, disability, and pain intensity in patients with mechanical low back pain after an 8-week training period involving the deadlift as a rehabilitative exercise. Thirty-five participants performed deadlift training under the supervision of a physical therapist with powerlifting experience. Measures of pain-related fear of movement, hip and trunk muscle endurance, and lumbopelvic movement control were collected at baseline. Measures of activity, disability, and pain intensity were collected at baseline and at follow-up. Linear regression analyses were used to create models to predict activity, disability, and pain intensity at follow-up. Results showed that participants with less disability, less pain intensity, and higher performance on the Biering-Sørensen test, which tests the endurance of hip and back extensor muscles, at baseline benefit from deadlift training. The Biering-Sørensen test was the most robust predictor because it was included in all predictive models. Pain intensity was the next best predictor as it was included in 2 predictive models. Thus, for strength and conditioning professionals who use the deadlift as a rehabilitative exercise for individuals with mechanical low back pain, it is important to ensure that clients have sufficient back extensor strength and endurance and a sufficiently low pain intensity level to benefit from training involving the deadlift exercise.

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