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The Suburb of the Future, Almost Here

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Re: The Suburb of the Future, Almost Here

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Post by paulddraper »

afpx wrote: post #70
paulddraper wrote: post #60

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Salt Lake. Free bus + train in city center; yearly ticket outside of that. Every big city has mass transit to at some degree. IDK what your specific requirements are though.

Interesting. I've never been to Salt Lake City. Where are some good places to live? I did a look in Zillow, and there are a few houses within 30 minute commute for under 300k. Most seem above 350k and further than 30 min, though. Which still isn't bad. But, assuming around $2,000 / month for mortgage and taxes, I'd have to make $120k+, gross, to have it be 20% of my income. Are there a lot of jobs there that pay that…

Not on average. But since this is HN, there's a good chance you are a software engineer. Assuming solid ability and a few years experience, yes.

Also, I bought my first house in 2015. 2k sq ft, 0.2 acre, 2 was car garage, built 1976, 25min from SLC city center, for under $200k. Prices have gone up 10% since.

My wife and there kids and I live quite

Re: The Suburb of the Future, Almost Here

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Post by IncRnd »

I'd rather live on my 20 acres with propane power and the batteries powered by the sun.

I like that we dug a pump well for fresh water.

I like that I can go outside with my daughter and watch wildlife walk by. I don't need to get a streaming service that puts an image of wild things on a 40" screen. My daughter is going to have memories for a lifetime of her and dad naming the pretty cougars and foxes that walked in her backyard. She'll always remember and be able to come back to her own woods with trails and chirping, the stream by the house, and her very own lake Elizabeth with little jumping fishies.

I already get things delivered to my door same day from Amazon, so I don't need drop off locations at town central, where I would need to get my packages. But, I can go into town, whenever I want. It's not far.

If people want to keep building ever more expensive housing that is constantly more and more interdependent with other systems and people, then go right ahead. Meanwhile, life is waiting to be lived right now.

Re: The Suburb of the Future, Almost Here

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Post by jacobolus »

paulddraper wrote: post #62
alkonaut wrote: post #43

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I said that too. And I'm not a millenial but a 70's kid. And then I had kids of my own and now I can't imagine not having a car to stuff the kids into, or a big backyard so I don't have to walk to the park with them to play. It's not like I wan't to drive everywhere, it's just the tradeoff I'm happy to accept in order to have a house with a big backyard for the kids to play in. So this is nothing new. People have alw…

And a car is darn convenient for a family-sized weekly grocery trip.

Dramatically more convenient is having 3 grocery stores within 4 blocks, so you can buy groceries in small batches every other day, or wheel a wagon over for a larger load.

Re: The Suburb of the Future, Almost Here

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Post by javabean22 »

IncRnd wrote: post #82

I'd rather live on my 20 acres with propane power and the batteries powered by the sun. I like that we dug a pump well for fresh water. I like that I can go outside with my daughter and watch wildlife walk by. I don't need to get a streaming service that puts an image of wild things on a 40" screen. My daughter is going to have memories for a lifetime of her and dad naming the pretty cougars and foxes that walked in…

Can your daughter go outside and play with her friends unsupervised? Does she have any friends?

Re: The Suburb of the Future, Almost Here

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Post by IncRnd »

javabean22 wrote: post #84
IncRnd wrote: post #82

I'd rather live on my 20 acres with propane power and the batteries powered by the sun. I like that we dug a pump well for fresh water. I like that I can go outside with my daughter and watch wildlife walk by. I don't need to get a streaming service that puts an image of wild things on a 40" screen. My daughter is going to have memories for a lifetime of her and dad naming the pretty cougars and foxes that walked in…

Can your daughter go outside and play with her friends unsupervised? Does she have any friends?

That's rude. She has many friends and sees kids her age almost everyday. She's too young to be unsupervised.

Let me ask you a question similar to what you just asked me, "Do you enjoy letting your family breathe the smog and pollution infested air that you live in? If they don't breathe the outside air, are they aware of the pollution and climate change that is killing the planet, caused by your car?" See how silly the kind of assumptions are that you made?

Re: The Suburb of the Future, Almost Here

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Post by javabean22 »

IncRnd wrote: post #85
javabean22 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can your daughter go outside and play with her friends unsupervised? Does she have any friends?

That's rude. She has many friends and sees kids her age almost everyday. She's too young to be unsupervised. Let me ask you a question similar to what you just asked me, "Do you enjoy letting your family breathe the smog and pollution infested air that you live in? If they don't breathe the outside air, are they aware of the pollution and climate change that is killing the planet, caused by your car?" See how silly t…

I don't have a car.

Re: The Suburb of the Future, Almost Here

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Post by bnjms »

javabean22 wrote: post #86
IncRnd wrote: post #85

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That's rude. She has many friends and sees kids her age almost everyday. She's too young to be unsupervised. Let me ask you a question similar to what you just asked me, "Do you enjoy letting your family breathe the smog and pollution infested air that you live in? If they don't breathe the outside air, are they aware of the pollution and climate change that is killing the planet, caused by your car?" See how silly t…

I don't have a car.

> See how silly the kind of assumptions are that you made?

Re: The Suburb of the Future, Almost Here

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Post by paulryanrogers »

IncRnd wrote: post #82

I'd rather live on my 20 acres with propane power and the batteries powered by the sun. I like that we dug a pump well for fresh water. I like that I can go outside with my daughter and watch wildlife walk by. I don't need to get a streaming service that puts an image of wild things on a 40" screen. My daughter is going to have memories for a lifetime of her and dad naming the pretty cougars and foxes that walked in…

Bravo for your efforts to live more sustainably. Still, I don't think it's practical for every person to have 20 acres, wildlife, and the means to enjoy it all without long workdays.

Re: The Suburb of the Future, Almost Here

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Post by gmu3 »

javabean22 wrote: post #84
IncRnd wrote: post #82

I'd rather live on my 20 acres with propane power and the batteries powered by the sun. I like that we dug a pump well for fresh water. I like that I can go outside with my daughter and watch wildlife walk by. I don't need to get a streaming service that puts an image of wild things on a 40" screen. My daughter is going to have memories for a lifetime of her and dad naming the pretty cougars and foxes that walked in…

Can your daughter go outside and play with her friends unsupervised? Does she have any friends?

It's not like modern city parents let their kids go out unsupervised these days
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