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Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by ethnic_throw »

mattnewport wrote: post #18
erentz wrote: post #7

No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.

We still get hepatitis outbreaks here in Canada despite our universal healthcare. Universal healthcare does not automatically solve the problem of getting vaccinations to vulnerable populations or prioritizing the right interventions at the right time given limited resources. Maybe our situation is better here in this regard, I don't know the statistics, but it's demonstrably false that universal healthcare automatic…

So I take it you implicitly agree with the original article's thesis?

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by mattnewport »

ethnic_throw wrote: post #41
mattnewport wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We still get hepatitis outbreaks here in Canada despite our universal healthcare. Universal healthcare does not automatically solve the problem of getting vaccinations to vulnerable populations or prioritizing the right interventions at the right time given limited resources. Maybe our situation is better here in this regard, I don't know the statistics, but it's demonstrably false that universal healthcare automatic…

So I take it you implicitly agree with the original article's thesis?

I think the original article makes a plausible case that the plastic bag ban was a contributing factor to this outbreak. That's irrelevant to the point I was making in the comment however.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by djrogers »

eveningcoffee wrote: post #21
jdminhbg wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccinations are free, per TFA.

Were not before the outbreak.

I guarantee every person living and defecating in the street in San Diego is eligible for MediCal or MedicAid - the very programs Sen. Sanders is touting as a panacea for single payer healthcare.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by [deleted] »

ass3r7 wrote: post #38
neo4sure wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Planners gone wild trying to save us or the planet I guess and basically killing people instead. Dumb as rocks liberal politics." Your intelligence is seeping through, it's so hilarious.

yeah don't debate me. flag me you pussies.

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Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by thereare5lights »

ass3r7 wrote: post #38
neo4sure wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Planners gone wild trying to save us or the planet I guess and basically killing people instead. Dumb as rocks liberal politics." Your intelligence is seeping through, it's so hilarious.

yeah don't debate me. flag me you pussies.

you don't get to legitimately and simultaneously claim to want a debate and derail any such rational discourse with phrases such as "Dumb as rocks liberal politics."

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by guelo »

erentz wrote: post #7

No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.

vaccination doesn't have much to do with universal health care. About half of states currently require childhood HepA vaccinations, the others don't http://www.immunize.org/laws/hepa.asp

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by gertef »

dottrap wrote: post #3

Related: Plastic Bag Ban Responsible For Spike In E. Coli Infections, Study Says http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/plastic-bag-ban_n_2...

and the rebuttal, which argues that nearly all of the increase in infections is due to a bacteria wave that started before the ban and was international in breadth:

http://berkeleyblog.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/...

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by StillBored »

antnisp wrote: post #24
BlackjackCF wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, the plastic bag ban is only a side effect of the real problem. California has a homeless problem and there aren't enough resources made available in California to address this. The homeless don't have access to resources to readily dispose of waste.

One of the richest and largest polities on earth doesn't have the resources to guarantee basic sanitaion for all residents.

No, its because in theory we have religious organizations providing that service in exchange for large tax breaks...

http://bigthink.com/21st-century-spirituality/how-to-make-71...

I'm perfectly ok with churches getting tax breaks as long as they can prove to be doing more good in the community they they are saving on all that prime real estate that generally sits vacant 6 days a week. If churches were forced to have 24-hour open door policies, then homeless people would always have a place to sleep and use the restroom. But of course we can't have "bums" wandering around church property, lets call the state/police to arrest them.

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