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Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by narrator »

tareqak wrote: post #10
rossdavidh wrote: post #6

Does it seem to anybody else that having widely available public restrooms would be a way better (including way more hygienic) way to address this issue?

I would include public showers, and public baths like some parts of France. Edit: Actually wouldn't public washrooms, showers, and baths help everyone in that if they are located frequently enough, businesses wouldn't have to be built with public washrooms in mind, or pay for the cost of cleaning and maintenance. They would have to pay for the public washrooms through taxes though.

At the train stations in Paris, they have pay toilets and people beg for change outside them so they can use them.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by frogpelt »

erentz wrote: post #7

No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.

If we just had the right system we could solve the problems.

Some people just don't want us to have the right system.

The right system is the solution.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by frogpelt »

thenewwazoo wrote: post #5

How many public health crises in the USA can be boiled down to "the USA fails to provide a safety net that ensures a certain standard of living"? If this plastic-bag hypothesis bears out, it'll be yet another.

There people living in the streets pooping in bags.

And you think we just need more safety nets?

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by touchofevil »

erentz wrote: post #7

No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.

Completely agree. Future generations will marvel at the fact that we didn't figure out that having large populations living in poverty would create hot zones for contagious disease to spread from. The Ebola outbreak that showed up in Dallas a few years ago comes to mind. Poverty needs to be eliminated worldwide ASAP to prevent the next pandemic.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by ass3r7 »

dottrap wrote: post #3

Related: Plastic Bag Ban Responsible For Spike In E. Coli Infections, Study Says http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/plastic-bag-ban_n_2...

Wait until the first flu season in Chicago with the bag tax it will be this year.

The politicians will have dead babies and elderly on their hands. It will be obvious in 5 years when some researchers realize that suburbs nearby don't have the bag ban vs other idential demographically areas within city limits do but somehow flu rates are statistically significantly higher and since they won't be able to find any other explanatory variable. ... oh shit.

I just watch people for 30 mins and saw some crazy ass shit so people could save themselves 7c.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by subroutine »

djsumdog wrote: post #16
santaclaus wrote: post #2

Seems like a good opportunity to design and distribute plastic bags specifically for people poops (sort of like the bags for dog poops).

Or maybe fix the low cost housing problem and maybe create better homeless day centers and public bathrooms? Just an idea...

Hang up doggy bag distributers on telephone poles downtown - sure just give me an afternoon.

Also, fix the homeless problem. - https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tasks.png

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by chrismealy »

ass3r7 wrote: post #13

Yes 100%. They imposed 7c bag tax in Chicago and I happened to wait 30 mins near the checkout lanes. Just observe the insanity. People bring the dirtiest nastiest bags and put them right on the conveyer belt. It must be literally a massive exponential increase in physical transmission of microscope matter between shoppers compared to issuing every shopper new bags. This stuff is insanity. Planners gone wild trying to…

Somebody didn't read the article.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by ass3r7 »

neo4sure wrote: post #17
ass3r7 wrote: post #13

Yes 100%. They imposed 7c bag tax in Chicago and I happened to wait 30 mins near the checkout lanes. Just observe the insanity. People bring the dirtiest nastiest bags and put them right on the conveyer belt. It must be literally a massive exponential increase in physical transmission of microscope matter between shoppers compared to issuing every shopper new bags. This stuff is insanity. Planners gone wild trying to…

"Planners gone wild trying to save us or the planet I guess and basically killing people instead. Dumb as rocks liberal politics." Your intelligence is seeping through, it's so hilarious.

yeah don't debate me. flag me you pussies.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by katastic »

erentz wrote: post #7

No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.

I'm standing here, in awe, that you literally wrote that on a comment.

Like... you actually believe merely having UHC will somehow stop stupid people from either 1) being disgusting or 2) being too stupid and forgoing vaccinations.

Like, you actually think that EVERYONE who suffers is doing it simply because they can't walk into their local hospital and be like "hook me up with them needles." People like Jenny McCarthy talking about how vaccinations cause autism don't actually exist.

And I say all this as a freakin' liberal. Come on guys. Up your brain game. Because this is one step above the political discourse equivalent of a a bumper sticker. Just chant and shoehorn in whatever catchphrase / slogan that's barely applicable into the conversation.

A bumper sticker has never changed the world.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Post by mattnewport »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #25
mattnewport wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We still get hepatitis outbreaks here in Canada despite our universal healthcare. Universal healthcare does not automatically solve the problem of getting vaccinations to vulnerable populations or prioritizing the right interventions at the right time given limited resources. Maybe our situation is better here in this regard, I don't know the statistics, but it's demonstrably false that universal healthcare automatic…

Some people might not vaccinate their kids for dumber reasons than not having insurance.

Part of my point was that the homeless are a particularly difficult population to reach with health interventions like vaccinations even with universal healthcare.
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