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Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.

Vaccinations are free, per TFA.

Were not before the outbreak.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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post #7

No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.

We still get hepatitis outbreaks here in Canada despite our universal healthcare. Universal healthcare does not automatically solve the problem of getting vaccinations to vulnerable populations or prioritizing the right interventions at the right time given limited resources. Maybe our situation is better here in this regard, I don't know the statistics, but it's demonstrably false that universal healthcare automatic…

I have no idea why you're getting downvoted for stating facts, and not in an argumentative or derogatory way. You're stating the truth, perhaps one people don't want to hear, but it's immature for them to downvote you.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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post #7

No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.

Or aim lower and just build and maintain some proper public toilets we all can use. One shouldn't be guilted into purchasing more diuretic just to relieve themselves while out.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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Seems like a good opportunity to design and distribute plastic bags specifically for people poops (sort of like the bags for dog poops).

Unfortunately, the plastic bag ban is only a side effect of the real problem. California has a homeless problem and there aren't enough resources made available in California to address this. The homeless don't have access to resources to readily dispose of waste.

One of the richest and largest polities on earth doesn't have the resources to guarantee basic sanitaion for all residents.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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post #7

No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.

We still get hepatitis outbreaks here in Canada despite our universal healthcare. Universal healthcare does not automatically solve the problem of getting vaccinations to vulnerable populations or prioritizing the right interventions at the right time given limited resources. Maybe our situation is better here in this regard, I don't know the statistics, but it's demonstrably false that universal healthcare automatic…

Some people might not vaccinate their kids for dumber reasons than not having insurance.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

#26
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But nobody wants to build (and keep clean) a bathroom in their backyard (the for homeless people is implied). And anyone who did would have protests from their neighbors. Lava Mae addressed this by building portable showers out of old buses (to the tune of ~$1M per bus) and trailers (cheaper).

That makes me think of Rick and Morty: Beth, do you still love me? Ugh, what kind of question is that? The "yes or no" kind? Jerry, do you want homeless people to have homes? Yes. Are you gonna build them? No. Then what good was the "yes"? Wait, is loving me the house or the homeless people? Loving you is work, Jerry hard work, like building a homeless shelter nobody wants to say no to doing it, but some people put t…

While we are on jokes about this, could you imagine if someone raised the argument back in November... "If California bans plastic bags obviously bums will poop everywhere, and hundreds of people will get Hepatitis until we bleach the streets."

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

#27
post #13

Yes 100%. They imposed 7c bag tax in Chicago and I happened to wait 30 mins near the checkout lanes. Just observe the insanity. People bring the dirtiest nastiest bags and put them right on the conveyer belt. It must be literally a massive exponential increase in physical transmission of microscope matter between shoppers compared to issuing every shopper new bags. This stuff is insanity. Planners gone wild trying to…

Yea bag taxes are dumb. They should just ban plastic bags entirely like in Seattle or Portland. You can just get paper bags. Some stores charge 5 cents, but some stores its free. And you can always bring your cloth bags. I do that all the time. If you're complaining about reusable bags at the store, you should take a good long think about every questionable surface and hand those groceries touched on the way to the s…

No your cloth bags are not the solution. It's a trade off between immediate needs and future costs. I don't dispute plastic bags have many negative externalities however they are profoundly immediately useful to humans. There are massive unintended consequences whenever you impose a designed objective function on reality as a planner.

In regards to the questionable surfaces I don't dispute that either but it is irrelevant.

what the relevant issue is measuring the baseline transmission effectiveness from a outbreak source prior to the behavior change vs after.

It is a physical fact that a shopper, for example a horder, who can provide source bacterial matter has been increased in likelihood to bring a bag with such matter and then when checking out has an exponential increase in contact with others. There are documented cases of people using hospital bags for their groceries.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

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post #19
post #7

No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.

Those things could have prevented it, like giving everyone housing could solve homelessness. But given the actual conditions San Diego started in, did the lack of plastic bags cause this specific outbreak? Which is the actual prompt. Seems inconclusive from the article, but not casually dismissable.

They tried that in SLC, but it turns out that not everyone who is homeless wants to live in a home. I would imagine this is related to mental illness, but you can't just force people to move into a home who don't want to just so homelessness is "solved".

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

#29
post #13

Yes 100%. They imposed 7c bag tax in Chicago and I happened to wait 30 mins near the checkout lanes. Just observe the insanity. People bring the dirtiest nastiest bags and put them right on the conveyer belt. It must be literally a massive exponential increase in physical transmission of microscope matter between shoppers compared to issuing every shopper new bags. This stuff is insanity. Planners gone wild trying to…

"Planners gone wild trying to save us or the planet I guess and basically killing people instead. Dumb as rocks liberal politics." Your intelligence is seeping through, it's so hilarious.

More you like your stupidity is in reacting with your conditioned liberal brain damage.

Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?

#30
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those things could have prevented it, like giving everyone housing could solve homelessness. But given the actual conditions San Diego started in, did the lack of plastic bags cause this specific outbreak? Which is the actual prompt. Seems inconclusive from the article, but not casually dismissable.

They tried that in SLC, but it turns out that not everyone who is homeless wants to live in a home. I would imagine this is related to mental illness, but you can't just force people to move into a home who don't want to just so homelessness is "solved".

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