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What Science Says to Do If Your Loved One Has an Opioid Addiction

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Post by grasshopperpurp »

zaroth wrote: post #273
grasshopperpurp wrote: post #243

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I'd like to see a control for the amount of money spent on legal defense. So, then, why would black people spend less money on legal defense?

People spend as much money on legal defense as they can possibly afford, obviously. But that doesn't make the system racist .

So, black people have less money to spend on legal defense, because . . . ? And, do you think that the people in charge of the system don't know that black people have less money to spend on legal defense? Do you think they're unaware of the history of slavery -> convict leasing -> our modern prison system?

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Post by emodendroket »

criddell wrote: post #280
emodendroket wrote: post #278

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Well you said there shouldn't be a universal basic income because people wouldn't have a purpose without the job being imposed on them, which seems to take as its premise that people need to have some kind of purpose imposed on them. The big reason unemployed people feel purposeless is because we live in a society where everyone is supposed to have a job or else is a drain on society/shamefully failing to support the…

> I'm not sure "purpose" is the real one Purpose might not be the right word. I think people need meaningful lives.

Well, no, I think that's the right word to convey that. I don't see life as meaningful because of the amount of time I spent at my job really.

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Post by anythingnonidin »

marojejian wrote: post #270
anythingnonidin wrote: post #18

OP here. An interesting takeaway I had was the importance of community. Does anyone know any non-profits or startups working to increase people's sense of community at a mass scale? It seems this is missing from large parts of the western world and has many consequences.

Shameless plug: I've been working on a service (www.campfire.care) to build peer support groups for any focus. Groups of 5-10 people with the same issue meet regularly via video and stay connected via chat. The idea is that we are fundamentally social creatures, and struggling with a challenge alone is unhealthy. Campfire is not therapy or a replacement for therapy. But peer support can be powerful + inexpensive. And…

Wonderful!

What's the main challenge for you as it relates to the product? i.e. are you limited on needing more customers / stronger product market fit, do you have insane product market fit and limited on hiring, etc?

Is this a for profit thing?

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Post by grkvlt »

flachsechs wrote: post #218
BudVVeezer wrote: post #217

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> __they don't want these things next to where they live__. Which is the precise definition of Not In My Back Yard...

yeah, and good luck convincing anyone , anywhere that building a methadone clinic in their back yard is a good idea. here's another turn of phrase you might find handy: choose your battles.

why should it be a problem? in the UK, methadone is normally dispensed from a regular pharmacy, just like any other prescription you might get from your doctor. I wonder if what you are seeing is that the clinic has been placed in a neighbourhood that already had high crime/homelessness/etc. since that is where the addicts who need its services are? it just seems odd that a clinic would be placed in an affluent area, where property costs are probably high, and the service users have to travel to get there, but maybe it's an american thing?

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criddell wrote: post #250
emodendroket wrote: post #244

> Consequently, do not try to use legal consequences as a way to help people you love, and if possible, bail them out if they get arrested for drug crimes. This doesn’t mean you shouldn’t hold them accountable, but do so in ways that are less likely to lead to lifelong problems. Meaningful employment is an important factor in recovery — and few things are more harmful to the chances of getting a good job than having…

I've been thinking about similar things in the context of a basic income. If we were to just pass a law and guarantee a significant basic income I think it would have disastrous effects and fail miserably. A guaranteed income is a good goal, but before we do that we need to figure out how to replace meaningful employment with other meaningful activities. People need a purpose. If we can alter our culture and separate…

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Post by nasredin »

nipplesurvey wrote: post #268
tomohawk wrote: post #185

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We now have a methadone clinic in our local shopping center, right next to a large childcare facility. Since then, crime has gone way up. The grocery store now has armed guards. This is not what a solution should look like.

the methadone clinic near(ish) my house is a well known place to score dope. the junkers have basically turned the nearest subway into hamsterdam.

McNulty: If Snot Boogie always stole the money, why'd you let him play?

Man On Stoop: Got to. This America, man

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Post by AndrewOMartin »

anythingnonidin wrote: post #167
AndrewOMartin wrote: post #150

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I've seen a couple of documentaries where KKK members were interviewed and the sense of purpose and community seemed to be the main thing they were all getting out of it. I'm not saying the KKK is a good community group, but I will say there are a lot of people with less community than they offer.

Was it http://www.npr.org/2017/08/13/543259499/a-reformed-white-nat... or something else?

It was Inside The KKK.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4848130/

I don't think I've seen anything quite so darkly comic as their fire safety class before their cross burning ceremony, as their artificial-fiber robes are highly flammable.

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Post by AndrewOMartin »

anythingnonidin wrote: post #165
AndrewOMartin wrote: post #150

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I've seen a couple of documentaries where KKK members were interviewed and the sense of purpose and community seemed to be the main thing they were all getting out of it. I'm not saying the KKK is a good community group, but I will say there are a lot of people with less community than they offer.

Extremely interesting. Don't suppose you have a link?

See my response to nothingnonidin.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15244420

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Post by flatfilefan »

marojejian wrote: post #270
anythingnonidin wrote: post #18

OP here. An interesting takeaway I had was the importance of community. Does anyone know any non-profits or startups working to increase people's sense of community at a mass scale? It seems this is missing from large parts of the western world and has many consequences.

Shameless plug: I've been working on a service (www.campfire.care) to build peer support groups for any focus. Groups of 5-10 people with the same issue meet regularly via video and stay connected via chat. The idea is that we are fundamentally social creatures, and struggling with a challenge alone is unhealthy. Campfire is not therapy or a replacement for therapy. But peer support can be powerful + inexpensive. And…

Did you consider appointing (renting out) a community lead for those groups? Maybe something along the lines of Über driver system? If a group has a natural leader - perfect. If not they can "rent" one to keep the momentum of the group going.

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Post by gozur88 »

amigoingtodie wrote: post #137
gozur88 wrote: post #24

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>Contrast to the crack cocaine epidemic in the 80s: fuck'em, throw them all in prison. That's overly reductive to the point of being wrong. There was never a particularly strong feeling that crack addicts should be thrown in prison any more than other types of addicts. People were strongly in favor of throwing crack dealers in prison because they were turning neighborhoods into war zones as they fought for lucrative…

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