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Re: A Social Network That Costs 10¢ to Post

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Post by novalis78 »

alexbeloi wrote: post #38
ramzyo wrote: post #35

"Our users also spend money to upvote content. Each vote costs 10¢ and the payment is distributed amongst earlier voters. This is our most popular activity. People love to pay money to vote on things. Who would have thought?" Is the payout to early voters greater than 10 cents? And do voters know when they're an early voter? If so, maybe this is why it's such a popular activity!

Every post is a miniature pyramid scheme. Like those chain letters that say 'send a dollar to everyone on this list, then add your name to the list and pass it along to everyone you know'.

Indeed. That's why it might work :-) gamification of content generation.. now if they can only keep the content quality high.. how about allowing people to downvote and punish low quality content? I tried something like that on booklove.rs

Re: A Social Network That Costs 10¢ to Post

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Post by novalis78 »

yafujifide wrote: post #40
ramzyo wrote: post #35

"Our users also spend money to upvote content. Each vote costs 10¢ and the payment is distributed amongst earlier voters. This is our most popular activity. People love to pay money to vote on things. Who would have thought?" Is the payout to early voters greater than 10 cents? And do voters know when they're an early voter? If so, maybe this is why it's such a popular activity!

If there were 0 fees on Bitcoin Cash, the payout to earlier voters could be arbitrarily high. It's a divergent series. Because of tx fees, there are limits. BCC has low fees, but not zero. You know you are an earlier voter by looking at the amount voted. That is the amount below the vote button.

How about using IOTA?

Re: A Social Network That Costs 10¢ to Post

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Post by icebraining »

joehewitt wrote: post #71
alexanderdmitri wrote: post #66

As an American kid born along with the digital epoch of the 90s, I'm a bit of an oddity because the only social media I've ever used (& still use) is LinkedIn, which feels like sharing a room with a vipor. I have it set up with a dedicated email address and I only interact w/it in a sandboxed browser on VPN with a dedicated email address. (I guess you could add HN, StackExchange and GitHub to the list since there are…

I used to feel that social networks were a waste of time (even when I worked for Facebook) but in the last couple years that has changed. My social life has been dramatically improved by Facebook because I started using it to socialize with people who share my hobby (growing fruit). Through Facebook groups I've made a number of new friends I never would have met otherwise. We communicate and share details of our hobb…

I hardly use the site to socialize with my family and old friends - it's basically a glorified message board.

That's the annoying thing. We already had message boards! Except they were decentralized, you could register anonymously and the administrators often had more autonomy (e.g. not put up ads and tracking scripts). Now Facebook has eaten a bunch of that market, and so we're forced to choose between giving up those communities or submitting to the Borg. It's annoying as hell.

Re: A Social Network That Costs 10¢ to Post

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Post by icebraining »

Joe-Z wrote: post #80
alexanderdmitri wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's great and that is a positive contribution to your life, but it follows the same formula I'm very used to hearing: usecases = ["group events", "messaging", "staying in touch with people", "networking", "checking in once a month", &c()]; singleUsecase = pickWhatevs(usecases); otherStuff = pickNotWhatevs(singleUsecase, usecases); responseStr = "Well, I only use it for " + singleCase + ". I rarely use it for " + o…

>...but how exactly has a glorified message board which doesn't charge its users become one of the richest companies in the world? Because, as you just demonstrated with your programming example: For HIM it's a glorified message board. Other people may use it in completely different ways and appreciate it for them. I'm not the greatest facebook-fan either, but I think you're really overstating the control they have o…

Unless of course all people using facebook are just damn idiots and don't know what they're getting themselves into!

I invite you to read (or preferably watch) your Ibsen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Enemy_of_the_People

Re: A Social Network That Costs 10¢ to Post

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Post by alexanderdmitri »

Joe-Z wrote: post #80
alexanderdmitri wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's great and that is a positive contribution to your life, but it follows the same formula I'm very used to hearing: usecases = ["group events", "messaging", "staying in touch with people", "networking", "checking in once a month", &c()]; singleUsecase = pickWhatevs(usecases); otherStuff = pickNotWhatevs(singleUsecase, usecases); responseStr = "Well, I only use it for " + singleCase + ". I rarely use it for " + o…

>...but how exactly has a glorified message board which doesn't charge its users become one of the richest companies in the world? Because, as you just demonstrated with your programming example: For HIM it's a glorified message board. Other people may use it in completely different ways and appreciate it for them. I'm not the greatest facebook-fan either, but I think you're really overstating the control they have o…

I think you're missing my point. Google and Facebook are conditioning the population to say no big deal. It's creeping normalcy. Remember when Sergei was trying to make peeps comfortable with Gmail? [para-phrasing here:] "It's not a person reading your email, it's just a robot." Well now the robot is a neural net and I'm pretty convinced (if it's not already) that neural net will start feeding data to other nets built by other powerful institutions that decide whether you get higher education, loans, whether you're likely to be guilty or innocent, &c. Didn't provide enough data, well hell, that's suspicious, throw a red flag.

And people will accept it because we're pragmatic. And those who don't just need to grow up and start pleasing the AI.

A whole new industry will pop up from the ones training nets in the first place. Hey do this and that and our calculations will read you better, you'll get the results you want. We just suggest you don't talk about these things at all, don't shop at these stores, don't have this name or be associated with that demographic ...

Re: A Social Network That Costs 10¢ to Post

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Post by novalis78 »

yafujifide wrote: post #31
PaulHoule wrote: post #2

That price is too low.

We think that might be true. We're very market-minded and intend to give our users the power to set prices wherever possible. We'll let the natural price arise.

Here is an idea for you Ryan: perhaps you could tie the money setting to an article's reach... that way you make everyone an owner of the page and strive for highest quality together. That's a more dynamic setup that rewards high quality - in the article as well as the comment section.

Re: A Social Network That Costs 10¢ to Post

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Post by sneak »

flatline wrote: post #73
alttab wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the sock puppeting, fraud, money laundering, and plagerism? Oh geez. Where is their cut?

Exactly what happened on steem.it, people just (re)-posted stuff like they do on reddit and made money from it with no attribution to the original author. I know they tried to crack down on this sort of thing but moderation is really labor intensive and difficult for other reasons too.

1) it's steemit.com

2) no we didn't; steemit is entirely unmoderated.

Re: A Social Network That Costs 10¢ to Post

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Post by Joe-Z »

alexanderdmitri wrote: post #86
Joe-Z wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>...but how exactly has a glorified message board which doesn't charge its users become one of the richest companies in the world? Because, as you just demonstrated with your programming example: For HIM it's a glorified message board. Other people may use it in completely different ways and appreciate it for them. I'm not the greatest facebook-fan either, but I think you're really overstating the control they have o…

I think you're missing my point. Google and Facebook are conditioning the population to say no big deal. It's creeping normalcy. Remember when Sergei was trying to make peeps comfortable with Gmail? [para-phrasing here:] "It's not a person reading your email, it's just a robot." Well now the robot is a neural net and I'm pretty convinced (if it's not already) that neural net will start feeding data to other nets buil…

Well yes, I must've missed your point. I was under the impression we're talking about the reasons why people use facebook and not engaging in a privacy discussion. I have nothing to add to that. Have a nice weekend!

Re: A Social Network That Costs 10¢ to Post

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Post by Kiro »

alexanderdmitri wrote: post #79
Kiro wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And they are not helping your damn social life! How do you know if you haven't even used them? Facebook is completely instrumental to my social life and I'm very happy with it. Also, what do you mean with "more direct means"? Is Facebook Messenger not direct enough?

I'll try to address each of your questions / points individually. The quote from me is probably too strongly worded on my part, but I really don't see the added value. You may have made it instrumental to your social life, but my personal opinion is the price is too high. Unfortunately, when the majority of people choose to pay the price, it switches from being a personal choice to being an expected exchange. This is…

I don't want any physical mails and I never pick up when people call me. That you seem to think this is something everyone loves is telling. We're simply different creatures and that's why I use Facebook and you don't.
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