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Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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Honestly, it tickles me pink to see ad companies having a public sook about a company standing up for the end-user.

What is amazing is the level of arrogance these ad companies have to accuse apple of damaging the "infrastructure of the modern internet", and speaking as though they care at all about the consumer when if it meant that these ad companies could make even a single dollar more or could track people even a little bit more they would burn the internet to the ground to achieve that goal.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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A translation of the open letter from advertising companies to Apple: September 14, 2017 We're just now realizing what this means. An Open Letter from the Digital Advertising Community "Community" means we're down to earth and neighborly. The undersigned organizations are leading trade associations for the digital advertising and marketing industries, collectively representing thousands of companies that responsibly…

Is there really that much money in online advertising? My impression was that they're all scrambling to protect their piece of a rapidly shrinking pie.

The market is still growing rapidly, while Google and Facebook are increasing their share there's still plenty of money to go around.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... what the hell did I just read. Let me correct the record so those that end up here don't actually buy into this. > Not all cookies are used for tracking. No, but third-party cookies are basically used for tracking. A legitimate site does not depend on a third-party cookie to handle features or login. At all, full stop no ifs, ands, or buts. > Be prepared to start losing your settings in web apps or being logged o…

> A legitimate site does not depend on a third-party cookie to handle features or login. At all Sites which use Disqus, or similar, for comments. I hate Disqus with a passion and wish horrible flaming death upon it, and am actually quite pleased that this will break it. But nonetheless it's a "legit" use of third-party cookies to provide a feature (remembering login on an embedded commenting engine).

You can do it with IFRAME and postMessage communication. (Have the internal IFRAME send out resize data, and that's all you need to handle from the host page.)

http://benalman.com/code/projects/jquery-postmessage/example...

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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post #65
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... what the hell did I just read. Let me correct the record so those that end up here don't actually buy into this. > Not all cookies are used for tracking. No, but third-party cookies are basically used for tracking. A legitimate site does not depend on a third-party cookie to handle features or login. At all, full stop no ifs, ands, or buts. > Be prepared to start losing your settings in web apps or being logged o…

> Not all cookies are used for tracking. No, but third-party cookies are basically used for tracking. A legitimate site does not depend on a third-party cookie to handle features or login. At all, full stop no ifs, ands, or buts. I'd point out that in the case of DocuSign signing sessions powered by iframes that without being able to set this third party cookie prevents the session from loading. Probably the only use…

Aren't the site in the iframe uses its own cookie? (So it doesn't count as 3rd party, no?)

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

#85

Were there a publicly-traded company that manufactures small violins (preferably the one that makes "world's smallest"), I'd go long on their stock right now. I mean, who do they expect to persuade with this? Is there anyone not tied to the adtech industry shouting, "Damn you, Apple, and your assault on open web standards!" 'cuz me, I'm thinking, "without even reading the article, if the ad industry is upset about it…

"We routinely send you malware without an iota of shame or responsibility, but how dare you not store for us the tools we need to track, productize, and sell you like livestock!" Is there any reasonable response to this besides, "yeah, go fuck yourself"? This is bullies crying that their victim didn't show up by the flagpole at 3pm for his beating. I sincerely hope they go out of business -- these companies are toxic…

There is money in "creative communications", money in semi-captive audiences. (Every time you want to read an article that has a hundred ads around it.)

There will be people exploiting that.

AdBlock works pretty well though.

The real problem is that people don't have the intrinsic need of blocking those fucking ads, because they are dumb as fuck :(

But we have YouTube and a lot of sites that live off ad revenue. (That search engine thing too, you might have heard about it.)

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

#86

Were there a publicly-traded company that manufactures small violins (preferably the one that makes "world's smallest"), I'd go long on their stock right now. I mean, who do they expect to persuade with this? Is there anyone not tied to the adtech industry shouting, "Damn you, Apple, and your assault on open web standards!" 'cuz me, I'm thinking, "without even reading the article, if the ad industry is upset about it…

The end result for the customer is that the ad industry will switch to cross-device tracking for everyone.

Right now, you had an option to opt-out, by setting cookies to block. You were relatively safe.

Now the default will become a net of machine learning algorithms which can track you cross-device without requiring cookies. It is not possible to safeguard against that, unless you completely randomize your online browsing behavior.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... what the hell did I just read. Let me correct the record so those that end up here don't actually buy into this. > Not all cookies are used for tracking. No, but third-party cookies are basically used for tracking. A legitimate site does not depend on a third-party cookie to handle features or login. At all, full stop no ifs, ands, or buts. > Be prepared to start losing your settings in web apps or being logged o…

> A legitimate site does not depend on a third-party cookie to handle features or login. At all Sites which use Disqus, or similar, for comments. I hate Disqus with a passion and wish horrible flaming death upon it, and am actually quite pleased that this will break it. But nonetheless it's a "legit" use of third-party cookies to provide a feature (remembering login on an embedded commenting engine).

As a newspaper developer, let me tell you, a horrible flaming death isn't good enough for it.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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post #31

> When Apple first announced the limitations to cross-website tracking in June, the company said the changes are meant to improve trust with users, explaining that “users feel that trust is broken when they are being tracked and privacy-sensitive data about their web activity is acquired for purposes that they never agreed to.” This! I switched from Windows+Android to the Apple ecosystem in 2015. Because I love so ma…

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Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

#90
I really hope advertisers are unrelenting in their attack on Apple over this, at least until Streisand hears about it. How dare Apple give users the tools to staunch the flow of their data?

We all know that newspapers could never have existed without all that tracking of which ads readers saw. And broadcast TV was a universal failure in reaching consumers with advertising. The idea of advertising without tracking is just unprecedented.

The advertisers arrogance and tone deafness here is just unfathomable.

From the outside, it appears tracking benefits aggregators more than these ad agencies. Without tracking, it makes a good agency even more important as they keep track of which sites generally have which audiences and target ads based on those trends instead of relying solely on doubleclick's data. Google and FB have a lot to lose here, not advertisers nor ad agencies, imo.

I think the end of pervasive tracking would not kill internet advertising, it would just make value-add middlemen more valuable. I know I'm ignoring re-targeting, but gawd the reason I didn't buy your widget while I was on your site is not because I forgot to put in my CC info. Re-targeting is not something humanity should be proud of (even though it's hard to run certain internet businesses and be competitive without it as long your competition is using it).

It almost feels like a luxury that when you examine an item at Best Buy and decide against purchasing that a store clerk doesn't jump in front of your car asking you to reconsider as you're trying to pull out of the parking lot. Or follow you home...

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