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Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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If this their reaction to mere cookie blocking, I wonder how they'll react next year when Chrome starts blocking certain types of ads entirely.

I'm waiting to see how it plays out, because if they whitelist their ads while blacklisting third party ads for arbitrary reasons edicted by them, while being an ad company themselves I can foresee some legal challenges/complaints.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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> When Apple first announced the limitations to cross-website tracking in June, the company said the changes are meant to improve trust with users, explaining that “users feel that trust is broken when they are being tracked and privacy-sensitive data about their web activity is acquired for purposes that they never agreed to.” This! I switched from Windows+Android to the Apple ecosystem in 2015. Because I love so ma…

Privacy is important, but breaking the functionality of cookies is the wrong way to address it. Not all cookies are used for tracking. Be prepared to start losing your settings in web apps or being logged out after 24 hours if you use Safari.

What's more, the claim that Apple is doing this for the sake of user trust is a lie. The real reason they're breaking the functionality of cookies is the same reason they refuse to implement progressive web apps, and the same reason they've become the slowest browser to adopt new standards, and the same reason you see "Safari is the new IE" all over the place. They're deliberately trying to hold back web technology so that people will be forced to create and use native apps instead. They're desperately trying to cling to the annual developer license fees and app commissions.

I say this as a die-hard MacBook user. I prefer Apple to Microsoft, but I hope Google wins in the web-vs-native holy war.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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> When Apple first announced the limitations to cross-website tracking in June, the company said the changes are meant to improve trust with users, explaining that “users feel that trust is broken when they are being tracked and privacy-sensitive data about their web activity is acquired for purposes that they never agreed to.” This! I switched from Windows+Android to the Apple ecosystem in 2015. Because I love so ma…

Quite simply YES!

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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What's especially infuriating about the advertisers' spin here is that Apple appears to have gone to a lot of effort to not destroy their business model. They're not simply blocking third-party tracking cookies, they're expiring or partitioning them more rapidly based on how infrequently the user interacts with a given website. https://webkit.org/blog/7675/intelligent-tracking-prevention...

Conveniently, some parties like mostly Google but also Facebook and Twitter have both a big presence in the tracker space and also a site users often visit directly. Their information is going to get much more valuable.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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> When Apple first announced the limitations to cross-website tracking in June, the company said the changes are meant to improve trust with users, explaining that “users feel that trust is broken when they are being tracked and privacy-sensitive data about their web activity is acquired for purposes that they never agreed to.” This! I switched from Windows+Android to the Apple ecosystem in 2015. Because I love so ma…

If they really wanted to protect the privacy of it's customers, FaceID would be really different... I think that they just don't want 3rd parties selling your information.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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post #31

> When Apple first announced the limitations to cross-website tracking in June, the company said the changes are meant to improve trust with users, explaining that “users feel that trust is broken when they are being tracked and privacy-sensitive data about their web activity is acquired for purposes that they never agreed to.” This! I switched from Windows+Android to the Apple ecosystem in 2015. Because I love so ma…

Privacy is important, but breaking the functionality of cookies is the wrong way to address it. Not all cookies are used for tracking. Be prepared to start losing your settings in web apps or being logged out after 24 hours if you use Safari. What's more, the claim that Apple is doing this for the sake of user trust is a lie. The real reason they're breaking the functionality of cookies is the same reason they refuse…

As I understand it, this doesn't affect cookies set by the page/domain the user is actually visiting, and it isn't blindly deleting all cookies after 24 hours.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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> When Apple first announced the limitations to cross-website tracking in June, the company said the changes are meant to improve trust with users, explaining that “users feel that trust is broken when they are being tracked and privacy-sensitive data about their web activity is acquired for purposes that they never agreed to.” This! I switched from Windows+Android to the Apple ecosystem in 2015. Because I love so ma…

Privacy is important, but breaking the functionality of cookies is the wrong way to address it. Not all cookies are used for tracking. Be prepared to start losing your settings in web apps or being logged out after 24 hours if you use Safari. What's more, the claim that Apple is doing this for the sake of user trust is a lie. The real reason they're breaking the functionality of cookies is the same reason they refuse…

Third party cookies have very few non-tracking legitimate uses, I block them and nothing I actually want has been broken.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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post #41
post #38

If this their reaction to mere cookie blocking, I wonder how they'll react next year when Chrome starts blocking certain types of ads entirely.

I'm waiting to see how it plays out, because if they whitelist their ads while blacklisting third party ads for arbitrary reasons edicted by them, while being an ad company themselves I can foresee some legal challenges/complaints.

I thought they were just adding the functionality to block ads but they weren't creating a filter list. So I would assume adoption would be similar to how it is now, but with the actual blocking being much more performant for users who add filter lists.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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> When Apple first announced the limitations to cross-website tracking in June, the company said the changes are meant to improve trust with users, explaining that “users feel that trust is broken when they are being tracked and privacy-sensitive data about their web activity is acquired for purposes that they never agreed to.” This! I switched from Windows+Android to the Apple ecosystem in 2015. Because I love so ma…

If they really wanted to protect the privacy of it's customers, FaceID would be really different... I think that they just don't want 3rd parties selling your information.

How so? FaceID is local to the phone.

Re: Every Major Advertising Group Is Blasting Apple for Blocking Cookies in Safari

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post #31

> When Apple first announced the limitations to cross-website tracking in June, the company said the changes are meant to improve trust with users, explaining that “users feel that trust is broken when they are being tracked and privacy-sensitive data about their web activity is acquired for purposes that they never agreed to.” This! I switched from Windows+Android to the Apple ecosystem in 2015. Because I love so ma…

Privacy is important, but breaking the functionality of cookies is the wrong way to address it. Not all cookies are used for tracking. Be prepared to start losing your settings in web apps or being logged out after 24 hours if you use Safari. What's more, the claim that Apple is doing this for the sake of user trust is a lie. The real reason they're breaking the functionality of cookies is the same reason they refuse…

Privacy is important, but breaking the functionality of cookies is the wrong way to address it.

Apple wasn’t the one that broke the “functionality” of cookies. Though I’ll allow that one could think that third-party tracking cookies were part of the original intent.

Be prepared to start losing your settings in web apps or being logged out after 24 hours if you use Safari.

Be prepared to start reading articles on how this actually works before sharpening the pitchfork. I’ll give you a hint: none of what you describe will come to pass.

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