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Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by andrewflnr »

hypervis0r wrote: post #347
tw04 wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. What makes you think that's even possible? WSL works because the NT kernel was built with POSIX compliance out of the gate and they've been able to translate some of the functionality. The Linux kernel wasn't built with Windows compatibility out of the gate. Do you honestly believe that Linus would accept core kernel changes for the sole…

> Do you honestly believe that Linus would accept core kernel changes for the sole purpose of supporting Windows on Linux? It would NEVER. HAPPEN. Kinda off-topic, but, isn't Linus basically a Microsoft here? Does it matter if Linux's forkable and open-source, if nobody ever forks it to do what the community wants instead of what Linus wants? (e.g. stable kernel ABI, Windows support, etc) > I've got a laptop and desk…

> Kinda off-topic, but, isn't Linus basically a Microsoft here? Does it matter if Linux's forkable and open-source, if nobody ever forks it to do what the community wants instead of what Linus wants?

Not really. With OSS, what matters is whether the community wants it badly enough. Forking a software project is fundamentally hard, and the payoff has to be big enough. With Microsoft, it doesn't matter how big the community's payoff is. If Microsoft doesn't benefit enough, it ain't happening.

I think the threat of forking is one of those really serious threats that still matters even if no one ever really comes close to doing it. It comes up more often in geopolitics, where military capability still matters even if no one wants to get anywhere close to a war.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by pjmlp »

a_e_k wrote: post #348
pjmlp wrote: post #295

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Hardcore graphics programming devs are on Windows.

Those doing games, yes. Those of us doing movies are mostly on Linux. Lots of sci-viz folks are also on Linux.

Not only games, movies and sci-viz rendering have little to do with UI/UX design considerations and tooling for consumer applications.

Which is why GNOME and KDE to this day, still need to try to advocate to get more UI/UX developers involved into their projects.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by ayfid »

solotronics wrote: post #139
monkmartinez wrote: post #119

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Why not dual boot linux and windows 10 or use a Linux VM? It takes like 10-15 seconds to reboot a machine these days. I am about to take the plunge toward a ThinkPad after many years with OSX (I haven't upgraded my 2011 17" to macOS). My plan is to try dual booting linux and/or using a Linux VM. I think the biggest hurdle will be changing my mindset. That is, looking for the OSX version of whatever it is I am looking…

by dual booting and using Linux for your hardcore development your basically ceding that Windows sucks at this. I agree honestly it's sad that Windows is not POSIX compliant, why can't I run bash, GIT, ssh, and a decent package manager on Windows? that will be it's downfall because the hardcore devs are all on Linux and OS X

> why can't I run bash, GIT, ssh, and a decent package manager on Windows?

bash, git, ssh and package managers (choco/OneGet) are all natively available on Windows. Bash may be a bit iffy, but the others work perfectly.

> that will be it's downfall because the hardcore devs are all on Linux and OS X

This is total nonsense. There is a disproportionately large number of "hardcore" devs on linux, but there are still many on Windows, and far more than macOS. Most "hardcore" devs use all 3, knowing that they each have their own strengths and weaknesses.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by dhimes »

mysterydip wrote: post #288
dhimes wrote: post #284

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How can we learn which ones are the best?

The difficult part is virtualization solutions aren't all optimal out of the box, so any evalution of them by someone new to a given product might be skewed. I'd look at what the big names are, especially in paid versions as they have their business on the line, and check youtube or blogs for performance tweaks or maximizing performance, and see what those who use it day in and day out have found. There aren't any re…

Outstanding! Thank you.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by abstractbeliefs »

pjmlp wrote: post #289
jrs95 wrote: post #287

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I keep reading stuff like this about Apple losing sight of what matters to developers...but I don’t really know what the big deal is. Aside from a frustrating lack of RAM on the latest MBP, everything seems to be just as good as it was before to me. And even the RAM issue can be solved for me by just not using too much horribly inefficient (electron) software at the same time.

Usually that complaint comes from those whose bubble developers == UNIX developers. We have hardly any complaint in the office from those with access to our Mac pools for iOS and OS X development, meaning Objective-C and Swift and not UNIX CLI stuff.

I dunno, having seen racks full of Macbooks with plastic wedges to keep the screen just-open-enough, it sounds like doing any Mac development that would require a server component is trash since they terminated Xserve in 2011.

This doesn't sound so bad until it becomes apparent that any sort of build/test farms, like you'd want for CI, would be best served by dedicated hardware like this.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by pault »

a_e_k wrote: post #348
pjmlp wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hardcore graphics programming devs are on Windows.

Those doing games, yes. Those of us doing movies are mostly on Linux. Lots of sci-viz folks are also on Linux.

Really? I thought video/post-production people were mostly on Macs these days. What are the standard software stacks for doing FX?

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by anthony_barker »

blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

Or office for Linux

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by Sammi »

tw04 wrote: post #343
blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

>Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. What makes you think that's even possible? WSL works because the NT kernel was built with POSIX compliance out of the gate and they've been able to translate some of the functionality. The Linux kernel wasn't built with Windows compatibility out of the gate. Do you honestly believe that Linus would accept core kernel changes for the sole…

>What makes you think that's even possible?

Have you heard of Wine? https://www.winehq.org/

Imagine if Microsoft put some of their developers on that.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by joombaga »

hypervis0r wrote: post #350
nikbackm wrote: post #283

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Regarding the last point. Windows Defender will normally be active by default on Windows 10 unless you go out of your way to turn it off.

It's not like editing a value in the registry is "going out of your way", it's almost standard Windows practice by now.

Literally two commands in an elevated command prompt

    sc config WinDefend start= disabled
    sc stop WinDefend
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