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From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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Re: From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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I don't understand why we let people out of prison if we aren't prepared to actually let them out of prison. I'm not really bleeding heart about this, I'd be fine with any murder of this sort meaning life in prison. What does not make sense is letting someone out and then not treating them as normal humans again. It only encourages people to revert to evil.

And that was like 2 decades ago when she was mentally immature. Not that what she did was justifiable under any circumstance, but for heaven's sake her term was reduced by 30 yrs. Harvard has really goofed it up if this story blows up.

Re: From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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This story is an example of how rehabilitation is acceptable only in concept, not reality for many, regardless of what they might profess. The student added a personal statement (which wasn't required) about her crime and record. Yet, 2 people's "concerns", which they didn't bother to address with the applicant caused the admission to be rescinded. The school's decision in prioritizing appearances/what others will think above a student's future is repugnant.

Good to see she took it in stride:

“People don’t survive 20 years of incarceration with any kind of grace unless they have the discipline to do their reading and writing in the chaos of that place,” Jones said. “Forget Harvard. I’ve already graduated from the toughest school there is.”

Re: From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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post #3

I don't understand why we let people out of prison if we aren't prepared to actually let them out of prison. I'm not really bleeding heart about this, I'd be fine with any murder of this sort meaning life in prison. What does not make sense is letting someone out and then not treating them as normal humans again. It only encourages people to revert to evil.

There is no "we" as you mention.

Everyone is an individual with different values and judgments.

How could you expect the entirety of the human race to treat someones actions in a consistent way? It simply is going against reality.

Re: From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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So, Harvard has professors that don't understand/accept the principles of rehabilitation. Sad, but, unfortunately, hardly shocking. There are many people like this all around the world.

I think this is very interesting. If you're sitting in class and you find out that the person in your group project murdered a 4 year old at one point, I would understand if they were to be extremely uncomfortable. I would also understand if they accepted them and supported the rehabilitation. I don't know how to feel about it, really

Re: From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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So, Harvard has professors that don't understand/accept the principles of rehabilitation. Sad, but, unfortunately, hardly shocking. There are many people like this all around the world.

Academia is largely political-- and politics has a long-running "tough on crime" stance.

Re: From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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post #5

So, Harvard has professors that don't understand/accept the principles of rehabilitation. Sad, but, unfortunately, hardly shocking. There are many people like this all around the world.

In fairness, she is a convicted murderer. And just try to imagine the magnitude of the blowback if she ever did anything wrong on campus, particularly to some precious darling of wealthy and connected parents.

I'm not saying the Harvard administration made the right choice here, but they certainly had cause to be cautious.

Re: From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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Either you believe in forgiveness or you don't. What she did was horrific. What she had done to her was almost as bad, but not an excuse, never an excuse because we are not animals, for what she did. She ended a child's life in a horrible, cruel manner.

But....

The state decided 20 years was enough. You can argue about the length or if she got out at all, but its problematic not to get the most value out of her when we are supposed to reintegrate her into society[1]. The time to argue she should still be in prison is passed. If you did not journey or send comment to the parole board prior to her release, then you did let your voice be heard.

“But frankly, we knew that anyone could just punch her crime into Google, and Fox News would probably say that P.C. liberal Harvard gave 200 grand of funding to a child murderer, who also happened to be a minority. I mean, c’mon.”

I can understand this attitude in a single person, but you folks are friggin Harvard. Now, some Fox host is going to do a whole segment on how flexible your values are in the face of opposition.

Conservative politicians do this too when talking to the NYT and it is annoying. Stick to your damn guns or admit you don't actually believe in the principals you ran on. The voting booth back home is more important than being invited to the cool dinner parties.

1) can we get an article on how their rehabilitation works at that prison.

Re: From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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post #5

So, Harvard has professors that don't understand/accept the principles of rehabilitation. Sad, but, unfortunately, hardly shocking. There are many people like this all around the world.

In fairness, she is a convicted murderer. And just try to imagine the magnitude of the blowback if she ever did anything wrong on campus, particularly to some precious darling of wealthy and connected parents. I'm not saying the Harvard administration made the right choice here, but they certainly had cause to be cautious.

> In fairness, she is a convicted murderer.

Who did her time and paid her dues to society. That's the point of rehabilitation.

Re: From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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post #3

I don't understand why we let people out of prison if we aren't prepared to actually let them out of prison. I'm not really bleeding heart about this, I'd be fine with any murder of this sort meaning life in prison. What does not make sense is letting someone out and then not treating them as normal humans again. It only encourages people to revert to evil.

Some quotes from the article makes it seem like they are more worried about the potential social and political backlash, than their personal beliefs on whether she has been rehabilitated. > " We didn’t have some preconceived idea about crucifying Michelle,” said John Stauffer, one of the two American studies professors. “But frankly, we knew that anyone could just punch her crime into Google, and Fox News would proba…

Along these lines, I think it was an attempt to not piss off potential donors.

"I donate a quarter million a year and you give it to a black who killed her own son? Guess Yale could use a new building with my name on it"

Still though, the US needs to have a good hard look at de-monetizing the prison industrial complex, humanizing post-incarcerated people, and disassembling the economic incentives to use the 13th amendment for disenfranchisement.

Re: From Prison to Ph.D.: The Redemption and Rejection of Michelle Jones

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post #14
post #5

So, Harvard has professors that don't understand/accept the principles of rehabilitation. Sad, but, unfortunately, hardly shocking. There are many people like this all around the world.

I think this is very interesting. If you're sitting in class and you find out that the person in your group project murdered a 4 year old at one point, I would understand if they were to be extremely uncomfortable. I would also understand if they accepted them and supported the rehabilitation. I don't know how to feel about it, really

Sure. I would probably feel uncomfortable too, but I stop short of saying others should be denied something because I feel uncomfortable. Otherwise, the world would be a very different place.
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