Organizers have unionized 5,000 contract workers at Apple, Facebook, Yahoo
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#2Question for the HN crowd: do you think tech-workers will begin to unionize? It seems to me that (in general) they've got such a nice position in the economy there's probably a bit of an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality. Is that correct?
Re: Organizers have unionized 5,000 contract workers at Apple, Facebook, Yahoo
#3> Eventually, Facebook says, it OK’d proposed terms of the contract, which hiked drivers’ average pay by half, to $27.50 an hour, and for the first time provided fully paid family health care.
For those people doing the driving that's pretty great news. I hope they also took care of those working conditions issues too. Split shifts etc...
Re: Organizers have unionized 5,000 contract workers at Apple, Facebook, Yahoo
#4Question for the HN crowd: do you think tech-workers will begin to unionize? It seems to me that (in general) they've got such a nice position in the economy there's probably a bit of an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality. Is that correct?
Working in a union would be terrible. Can you imagine having to deal with seniority rules?
Re: Organizers have unionized 5,000 contract workers at Apple, Facebook, Yahoo
#5Question for the HN crowd: do you think tech-workers will begin to unionize? It seems to me that (in general) they've got such a nice position in the economy there's probably a bit of an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality. Is that correct?
I honestly think programmers are just demonstrating that they skew politically inept by not unionizing.
Well, not a union as such, but if you look at other professional degrees, almost all of them have powerful trade groups that represent the workers -- doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc.
I think it speaks more to political ineptitude and the newness of the field that programming doesn't even have the same support structures in place that engineers do.
Re: Organizers have unionized 5,000 contract workers at Apple, Facebook, Yahoo
#6Question for the HN crowd: do you think tech-workers will begin to unionize? It seems to me that (in general) they've got such a nice position in the economy there's probably a bit of an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality. Is that correct?
Working in a union would be terrible. Can you imagine having to deal with seniority rules?
A union is whatever the members want it to be. Just because traditional unions operate a certain way does not mean a union for tech workers has to operate the same way.
Re: Organizers have unionized 5,000 contract workers at Apple, Facebook, Yahoo
#7Appears to be free and non coercive negotiation until you get to the actual coersion:
"In San Francisco the coalition persuaded the city transit authority to make it easier to deny permits to companies facing labor strife."
If your negotiations rely on the monopoly that the state provides, is it really a negotiation?
Re: Organizers have unionized 5,000 contract workers at Apple, Facebook, Yahoo
#8Question for the HN crowd: do you think tech-workers will begin to unionize? It seems to me that (in general) they've got such a nice position in the economy there's probably a bit of an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality. Is that correct?
Working in a union would be terrible. Can you imagine having to deal with seniority rules?
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Working in a union would be terrible. Can you imagine having to deal with seniority rules?
A union is whatever the members want it to be. Just because traditional unions operate a certain way does not mean a union for tech workers has to operate the same way.
How would a union help me at all?
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#10Question for the HN crowd: do you think tech-workers will begin to unionize? It seems to me that (in general) they've got such a nice position in the economy there's probably a bit of an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality. Is that correct?
I honestly think programmers are just demonstrating that they skew politically inept by not unionizing. Well, not a union as such, but if you look at other professional degrees, almost all of them have powerful trade groups that represent the workers -- doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc. I think it speaks more to political ineptitude and the newness of the field that programming doesn't even have the same support stru…
The downvotes speak volumes of the cognitive dissonance. Everone is fully in control of their destiny through their rugged individualism and bootstraps until they're laid off and packing up to head back home from SFBA because they have no worker protections.
I suppose everyone has to learn the hard way (again) during the next downturn.