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Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by pjmlp »

solotronics wrote: post #142
cwyers wrote: post #4

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Losing on desktop. Yeah, any decade now. There is of course a constituency of Linux Nerds primed to move to Windows: people who want to develop software for Linux servers but don't want to run Linux on the desktop. Many of those people are using OS X, which is POSIX enough to run some Linux software unmodified. WSL is a way to target those people, who may be being left behind by Apple's changing strategy in laptops (…

nobody is doing Linux dev on Windows, the only people I know at work on Windows are sysadmin types that just never learned Linux desktop and non-programmers. 95% of the dev people I know are on OS X or Linux

On my bubble the only place for Linux is on servers. OS X machines are too expensive and we get to share a pool of devices.

95% of devs are on Windows.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by monkmartinez »

Moto7451 wrote: post #179
monkmartinez wrote: post #177

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> Yeah you can run actual server daemons on MacBook pro Really? Can I run those Apple specific daemons on AWS, Azure, or GCloud? How about Digital Ocean or Linode. I would love to run my Apple Automator scripts on the web too, can I?

NGINX, Postgres, MySQL, Postfix, etc all work just fine as OS X services and Linux Services. The format of the init script is different but that is true between Linux and BSD or even various Linux distributions. None the less, the concept of running your services on OS X holds fast. WSL's init however, is not a full implementation. To run a Linux service/daemon you have to resort to bootstrapping something from the W…

None of it is the same thing, outside of linux, if you are being honest. You can't run a macOS script in web production. period. end of story. So with all platforms, sans linux proper, we resort to funny business to get things working locally and then do it different when it comes time to deploy. What are we doing? Just use linux... or MSFT/.net as it were.

The funny thing in all of this is that Apple have nothing to share with the rest of the world, sans swift. They got the underdog sympathy and have made a mockery of all who elevated them to their current status. That is, they have given JACK SHIT back to those who made them who they are.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by rizalp »

Joeri wrote: post #159
blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

From what I understand the WSL team is small, with only a few people working on the kernel parts. I'm sure they honestly intend to deliver blazing performance but they're still busy delivering basic compatibility. Maybe microsoft should allocate more resources, since it is probably the cheapest way to gain developer mindshare. I do node development on windows, but not in WSL. I would advise doing as much as you can w…

Agreed with that. Better use native port instead of WSL, as many tools, limited they may be, has better integration with the rest of the system

Case in point : cannot use Git on WSL with IntelliJ, Sourcetree

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by pjmlp »

newman8r wrote: post #75
domenukk wrote: post #21

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Looks have improved a fair amount. The normal user still wouldn't know how to install any software they know on it, however. And I'm not talking about an open-source alternative from apt. Also, touch screens <3

for some users, half the fun of switching to linux is realizing there's open source versions of all the software they used to pay for.

Why bother, when in most countries they can just pirate it?

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by monkmartinez »

dis-sys wrote: post #166
Arnavion wrote: post #152

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>Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. Not completely what you want, but relevant: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/dataplatforminsider/2016...

again - a closed system with no public access to its full tech details. its completeness can not be reviewed by the community, its security model is unknown to the general public, its reliability is a big question marks. what is worse - it charges you an arm and leg for running that joke on modern hardware. Rather than providing people with more tech details so the so called products can be better used in real life,…

What do you use for a laptop or desktop?

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by aleksei »

Eridrus wrote: post #71
santoshalper wrote: post #6

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Linux still sucks shit on the Desktop. I try it every year, and every year it sucks very slightly less. It goes beyond drivers and application compatibility, Linux distros are ugly and the people making them have no taste. The Desktop/Laptop market is not nearly as important as it used to be, but within that space, Microsoft's dominance is about as strong as ever. Apple might have been able to take a dent out of it i…

I have a corp-maintained Linux laptop; Chrome does not get along with the graphics drivers and will freak out and start flashing white every hour or so. My (corp-maintained) Linux desktop locks up under heavy load for every few days, usually recovers though. The person who sits next to me has it worse though. And this is with standardized corp-bought hardware. Any year now though.

Not an issue with Linux though, you just have incompetent tech maintenance.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by pjmlp »

JoshMnem wrote: post #146
santoshalper wrote: post #6

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Linux still sucks shit on the Desktop. I try it every year, and every year it sucks very slightly less. It goes beyond drivers and application compatibility, Linux distros are ugly and the people making them have no taste. The Desktop/Laptop market is not nearly as important as it used to be, but within that space, Microsoft's dominance is about as strong as ever. Apple might have been able to take a dent out of it i…

> Linux still sucks shit on the Desktop... Linux distros are ugly and the people making them have no taste. Linux is hard to beat for a fully customizable programming environment. You can easily customize the look of a Linux desktop, but can't with Windows or Mac. Windows and Mac have both taken UI ideas that have been around on Linux for far longer.

I have been working for a few decades and I surely can customize Windows and OS X to the extent that matters to me.

Sure I probably cannot do it like I used to do with Slackware and fvwm on a rainy weekend, but I don't want to.

I want a full stack developer experience with OS Framework APIs that I know are going to be available everywhere, coupled with a nice IDE and graphical tooling.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by pjmlp »

api_or_ipa wrote: post #140
seiferteric wrote: post #7

> Imagine a Linux setup where you can launch PowerPoint without a VM Wine?

Why not use a browser based presentation app like Google Slides and not deal with stupid proprietary software that won't run on anything but a windows or mac machine?

Because Google Docs suck for any kind of actual professional work, instead of playing at office.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by monkmartinez »

eksemplar wrote: post #114

I've been a Microsoft developer for a long time, but in recent years it's become increasingly hard to justify and the Linux subsystem hasn't helped. Not because it's not an interesting feature, but because my desktop has become even more useless as anything but development than it already was with Visual Studio infecting everything. I'm sure it's a step in the right direction for a lot of people, but I bought an old…

So what macOS stuff do you run in "production" to users? Apple gets a free pass when it comes to the hard stuff and I am tired of it. At least Windows is can be run in "production"...
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