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DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Post by syshum »

tptacek wrote: post #17

This is very bad for Kaspersky. Put aside how much revenue the entire GSA market represents for a security company (it'll be a double-digit percentage for a typical company). The bigger problem is that in the wake of this, every systemically important financial firm will also eject Kaspersky. In addition to being another significant chunk of revenue, major financial firms set the buying direction for IT security for…

>> In addition to being another significant chunk of revenue, major financial firms set the buying direction for IT security for the whole industry.

I have never found this to be case, infact it seems to me that financial firms tend to be behind the times when it comes to IT Security. Especially banking. How many ATM's are still running XP Embedded as an example

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Post by peterwwillis »

ajross wrote: post #99
peterwwillis wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we don't speculate at all, we're left with the following bullet points from news articles this year: - Michael Flynn was paid by Kaspersky to speak at its seminar (probably nothing, but mildly interesting) - US Intel community considers Kaspersky to be an arm of the Russian government - Kaspersky employee arrested in sting by Russian government for treason - US Intel officials believe Kaspersky employees in US eng…

> Would the US govt [...] ask [Kaspersky] to spy on behalf of the US in Russia Why would they? Wouldn't they just ask Microsoft instead? I don't see what particular value or access Kaspersky would bring to the table here. They have no particular "spy" channels into the Russian government, they just make software.

Former Russian spies work for Kaspersky (Kaspersky has admitted this), they are based in Moscow, and their founder was trained by the KGB and worked for Russian military intelligence.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Post by Tepix »

Stranger43 wrote: post #11

The US declaring that it think that an government should think hard about what foreign products to let into it's core infrastructure is going to have consequences the intended ones. That is probably great news if your an European, or especially Asian software vendor trying to compete with any US based company for local government contracts, as the US have now legitimized any concern about foreign governments(includin…

It's similar with European companies not using US-based cloud products or cloud providers.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

iokevins wrote: post #61
tptacek wrote: post #17

This is very bad for Kaspersky. Put aside how much revenue the entire GSA market represents for a security company (it'll be a double-digit percentage for a typical company). The bigger problem is that in the wake of this, every systemically important financial firm will also eject Kaspersky. In addition to being another significant chunk of revenue, major financial firms set the buying direction for IT security for…

Looks like this comes from the Dave Aitel July 12, 2017 blog post, "What Kaspersky Means for Cyber Policy": https://cybersecpolitics.blogspot.com/2017/07/what-kaspersky... which references this July 11, 2017 Bloomberg BusinessWeek article, "Kaspersky Lab Has Been Working With Russian Intelligence - Emails show the security-software maker developed products for the FSB and accompanied agents on raids": https://www.blo…

This doesn't say anything at all. It says Kaspersky helped Russian law enforcement to arrest Russian cyber criminals. That's not alarming and it happens in every country.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

puzzle wrote: post #39
joering2 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So its even more important for public to see the evidence. Otherwise it feels like private vendetta most likely because Kaspersky is Russian (you know, our current Administration doesn't like Russians much) who actually build his empire on fighting Russian Government-funded cyberspying (claims Wikipedia). I'm sure if Kaspersky sells tons of software on US soil, and most likely pay taxes on US soil, then they will sue…

More likely that not, the sources and methods behind the evidence are classified. See all the Russians that started dying under mysterious circumstances or got arrested, nominally for treason, after the US election.

More likely than not, Rubio and McCain have no capability to assess anything technical and this is all bogus.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

peterwwillis wrote: post #102
ajross wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would the US govt [...] ask [Kaspersky] to spy on behalf of the US in Russia Why would they? Wouldn't they just ask Microsoft instead? I don't see what particular value or access Kaspersky would bring to the table here. They have no particular "spy" channels into the Russian government, they just make software.

Former Russian spies work for Kaspersky (Kaspersky has admitted this), they are based in Moscow, and their founder was trained by the KGB and worked for Russian military intelligence.

Not true. Euegene attended a KGB sponsored college. Also, military service was mandatory, and his military service was not related to intelligence.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Post by zmoreira »

arkitaip wrote: post #12
myth_drannon wrote: post #4

Is there some sort clandestine effort by Russian intel agencies to force US government to install McAfee Antivirus and subsequently cripple the productivity of said government agencies?

Maybe it's the Gerasimov Doctrine in action [0], i.e. Chaos All The Things!!! [0] http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/gerasimov-...

There is no Gerasimov Doctrine.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Post by zmoreira »

syphon7 wrote: post #25
Stranger43 wrote: post #11

The US declaring that it think that an government should think hard about what foreign products to let into it's core infrastructure is going to have consequences the intended ones. That is probably great news if your an European, or especially Asian software vendor trying to compete with any US based company for local government contracts, as the US have now legitimized any concern about foreign governments(includin…

It's different. EU is in NATO with US (most of EU). Buying from an ally vs a non ally (or enemy depending, Ukraine for instance) is a very big difference.

Not really. Ally vs non-ally is not the criteria for spying. Important vs unimportant is.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Post by QAPereo »

grzm wrote: post #88
QAPereo wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay. In that case I question what motivated your initial comment correcting your parent? Correcting a commonly abused saying, and thereby slightly reducing the volume of bullshit if only imperceptibly. I have to wonder why you seem so interested in commenting mostly on the comments of others.

Damn! ( Just when I thought I was out…. ) Honest question deserves an honest answer. Very similar motivation. I'm very interested in figuring out how to promote productive, constructive discussions in general and online in particular. The deep polarization that seems to have increased and been exacerbated by the internet is an issue that I think desperately needs to be solved. HN is a community that values constructi…

I have to agree with that, although I'm not so aware of the polarization or other dynamics here yet, I can certainly admire your aims and methods. Good luck spreading civility and discourse, although I'd encourage you to assume the best intentions in others as you go.
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