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Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by Eridrus »

santoshalper wrote: post #6
bactrian wrote: post #2

This post was interesting in a morbid way but you can count the Linux nerds that want leave the open world of Linux for Microsoft very easily. They all work at Microsoft. Microsoft is losing on mobile, desktop, servers, and IoT. Their entire ecosystem is a technological deadend. If you're a Linux Nerd, you should probably keep using Linux if you care about having a good career going forward.

Linux still sucks shit on the Desktop. I try it every year, and every year it sucks very slightly less. It goes beyond drivers and application compatibility, Linux distros are ugly and the people making them have no taste. The Desktop/Laptop market is not nearly as important as it used to be, but within that space, Microsoft's dominance is about as strong as ever. Apple might have been able to take a dent out of it i…

I have a corp-maintained Linux laptop; Chrome does not get along with the graphics drivers and will freak out and start flashing white every hour or so.

My (corp-maintained) Linux desktop locks up under heavy load for every few days, usually recovers though. The person who sits next to me has it worse though.

And this is with standardized corp-bought hardware.

Any year now though.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by shmerl »

Why would you use WSL instead of straight VM for example (assuming you are somehow banned from running Linux proper directly on your hardware)? And I'm a bit confused about the benefit of launching PowerPoint from WSL, when you have the Windows host itself sitting there.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by tkubacki »

WSL is waste of time if you work with docker - Linux desktop experience (not laptop) is just good enough these days (and future seems even brighter since Ubuntu goes back to Gnome)

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by notgood »

seiferteric wrote: post #65
notgood wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very often; every ruby/node/etc library that has at least one dependency that needs compilation ("native-extensions") can now run on Windows 10 without issues.

Huh? If it was compiling the native extension, then it would work in cygwin also?

Just as an exercise; try to compile latest Node on cygwin and you will be welcomed by a ton of errors. Then try to compile it on linux subsystem (no issues arise)

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by newman8r »

domenukk wrote: post #21
newman8r wrote: post #12

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Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/ I think the linux desktop user experience has improved exponentially over the last few years, you should give it another shot.

Looks have improved a fair amount. The normal user still wouldn't know how to install any software they know on it, however. And I'm not talking about an open-source alternative from apt. Also, touch screens <3

for some users, half the fun of switching to linux is realizing there's open source versions of all the software they used to pay for.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by flukus »

Eridrus wrote: post #71
santoshalper wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux still sucks shit on the Desktop. I try it every year, and every year it sucks very slightly less. It goes beyond drivers and application compatibility, Linux distros are ugly and the people making them have no taste. The Desktop/Laptop market is not nearly as important as it used to be, but within that space, Microsoft's dominance is about as strong as ever. Apple might have been able to take a dent out of it i…

I have a corp-maintained Linux laptop; Chrome does not get along with the graphics drivers and will freak out and start flashing white every hour or so. My (corp-maintained) Linux desktop locks up under heavy load for every few days, usually recovers though. The person who sits next to me has it worse though. And this is with standardized corp-bought hardware. Any year now though.

Skype doesn't get along with my graphics drivers, On my corp maintained windows desktop it will sometimes peg the CPU/GPU and display garbage on screen until it overheats and hard resets.

I guess Windows just isn't ready for the desktop.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by blfr »

userbinator wrote: post #69

If you need to access files in VolFS, you can use bash.exe to copy them somewhere under /mnt/c, use Windows to do whatever on it, then use bash.exe to copy them back when you are done. IMHO this is the worst-designed(?) part of the whole WSL. Copying files back and forth is the antithesis of a "seamless Windows and Linux experience", to put it mildly. From that perspective it's no better than running an isolated VM.…

Yes. If I had to figure it out by myself, not having read in an authoritative source that this is the way it's meant to work, I would assume I'm doing something wrong.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

seiferteric wrote: post #43
thinkxl wrote: post #34

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More snarky than usual, i don't know why. "why not just" or "just use" kind of comments that you see more in reddit. Even someone recommended an Electron alternative, on HN! the #1 Electron hater community. Interesting.

I don't know, I think some people feel a bit threatened by this move. It could be viewed as a way to subvert the Linux and OSS community. I think people should know there are alternatives.

That's a generally valid concern, but I don't think I can see that ever really happening. It's really just a compatibility space, no?

There is a bit of a contrarian culture here, lately. Some skepticism is healthy, but too much is toxic.

As a general optimist and hopeful, I like to try and find good where I can without being suckered by hocus or sly marketing.

Moving forward and growing outward should be a good thing, shouldn't it?

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by cypher543 »

I really, really wish Microsoft would open up the Pico Process APIs to third-party driver developers. Right now, WSL is the only driver allowed to install Pico Process callbacks. It would be cool to implement a Darwin layer or a Classic Xbox emulator with that tech.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by seiferteric »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #78
seiferteric wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, I think some people feel a bit threatened by this move. It could be viewed as a way to subvert the Linux and OSS community. I think people should know there are alternatives.

That's a generally valid concern, but I don't think I can see that ever really happening. It's really just a compatibility space, no? There is a bit of a contrarian culture here, lately. Some skepticism is healthy, but too much is toxic. As a general optimist and hopeful, I like to try and find good where I can without being suckered by hocus or sly marketing. Moving forward and growing outward should be a good thing…

I know what you mean, but you will never see MS contributing to Wine will you? Will we ever see office for linux? Why can't we get a proper POSIX layer for windows (like they used to offer)?
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