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What Science Says to Do If Your Loved One Has an Opioid Addiction

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Re: What Science Says to Do If Your Loved One Has an Opioid Addiction

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Post by glibgil »

sremani wrote: post #60
glibgil wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard the theory that racism might be institutionalized?

I do not recollect with precision, but there is an article posted on HN few years ago, showing the 80s archives of New York Times, in it NYT was squarely arguing for harsher sentencing and so were African American civic leaders. May be there is racism that is institutional, but the point is most people even those who are against harsher sentences today thought it was a remedy. We will be failing ourselves if we canno…

> May be there is racism that is institutional, but the point is most people even those who are against harsher sentences today thought it was a remedy

I didn't. I thought it was racist back then. Many black leaders thought it was racist back then too

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Post by graphememes »

grasshopperpurp wrote: post #44
0x27081990 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it is a race issue. Times were different. People are now accepting that drug consumption doesn't make you a criminal. At some point Britain thought that wealthy highly-educated people were incapable of being criminals, until time proved them wrong. Science is always evolving.

In a fair system, black and white defendants who score the same number of points under this formula would spend the same time beyond bars. But The Herald-Tribune found that judges disregard the guidelines, sentencing black defendants to longer prison terms in 60 percent of felony cases, 68 percent of serious, first-degree crimes and 45 percent of burglaries. In third-degree felony cases — the least serious and broade…

Male vs Women rape statistics seem to denote the same thing, 10% difference, 18% difference, -5% difference. How many cases did the study cover? Looks to be about 300 given the dataset from the website.

300 is a small statistic.

10% of 300 is even smaller.

Science is hard.

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Post by tptacek »

dogruck wrote: post #43
liveoneggs wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

crack vs cocaine sentencing doesn't agree with you. It was clearly making the "black" crime of crack possession worse than the "white" crime of coke possession. Obama got a whole law passed in 2010 to address it!

Y'all realize that black legislators and community organizers pushed for and voted for those "racist" crack sentences? They were trying to save their own communities. Edit: for the uninformed down voters: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...

That's a non-sequitur answer that also manages to concede the point of the comment upthread, which is that there has in fact been a retributive cast to drug policy for black people.

Re: What Science Says to Do If Your Loved One Has an Opioid Addiction

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Post by VT_Drew »

btmorex wrote: post #11

What science says nothing about because of the DEA's inane scheduling: hallucinogens.

The "science" on treating Opioid addictions at this point would just be reaffirming what we already know with mountains of "anecdotal" evidence. You want to solve the Opoid problem? Legalize Ibogane, DMT, Psilocybin, and MDMA, it is that simple.

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Post by tptacek »

gozur88 wrote: post #68
glibgil wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard the theory that racism might be institutionalized?

So what you're saying is that black people can't be trusted to have their own opinions because of institutional racism? Words fail.

That's not at all what they said.

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Post by tptacek »

gozur88 wrote: post #55
liveoneggs wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

crack vs cocaine sentencing doesn't agree with you. It was clearly making the "black" crime of crack possession worse than the "white" crime of coke possession. Obama got a whole law passed in 2010 to address it!

Crack vs powder sentencing isn't relevant. The violence was all on the crack side, which is what prompted the harsher sentences. And yes, Obama got a law passed based on a lie. That happens all the time. EDIT: Most people really don't care what you put into your body until you make them care, and that's what happened. You'd open up the paper and see another eight-year-old on the way to school got shot in the head bec…

No, the violence was not "all on the crack side":

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4533860/

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Post by tptacek »

dogruck wrote: post #49
TearsInTheRain wrote: post #19

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Imho i would guess it is more a markets thing than a racial thing. There probably wasn't a whole lot of money to be made in curing an epidemic to a poor minority in the 80s whereas the opioid crisis is hitting a larger middle class population

It wasn't a "markets thing". Crack hit black communities. Then, black leaders within those communities responded by passing tough laws.

No, that's not at all true. The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 was passed by an overwhelmingly white Congress and an overwhelmingly white Senate, and signed by overwhelmingly white Ronald Reagan.

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Post by martinald »

elchief wrote: post #62
btmorex wrote: post #11

What science says nothing about because of the DEA's inane scheduling: hallucinogens.

Yes, Ibogaine is literally 10x more effective than Methadone. It's risky if you've weakened your heart with stimulants though.

Source?

Re: What Science Says to Do If Your Loved One Has an Opioid Addiction

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Post by zaroth »

grasshopperpurp wrote: post #44
0x27081990 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it is a race issue. Times were different. People are now accepting that drug consumption doesn't make you a criminal. At some point Britain thought that wealthy highly-educated people were incapable of being criminals, until time proved them wrong. Science is always evolving.

In a fair system, black and white defendants who score the same number of points under this formula would spend the same time beyond bars. But The Herald-Tribune found that judges disregard the guidelines, sentencing black defendants to longer prison terms in 60 percent of felony cases, 68 percent of serious, first-degree crimes and 45 percent of burglaries. In third-degree felony cases — the least serious and broade…

I'd like to see a control for the amount of money spent on legal defense. The anecdote in that report itself suggests that it's the skill level of the defense attorney which is most likely a dominant factor.

From someone I know with personal experience, after they were charged with possession with intent to distribute due to growing pot, they had 3 choices. Go to jail, spend $X on an attorney who would get them probation, or spend 10 * $X on an attorney who would get them off. Both attorneys had perfect records, n>100, at their respective objective.

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Post by dogruck »

tptacek wrote: post #83
dogruck wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Y'all realize that black legislators and community organizers pushed for and voted for those "racist" crack sentences? They were trying to save their own communities. Edit: for the uninformed down voters: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...

That's a non-sequitur answer that also manages to concede the point of the comment upthread, which is that there has in fact been a retributive cast to drug policy for black people.

You make a good point.
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