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Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by Boxxed »

bitexploder wrote: post #284
lvoudour wrote: post #136

Sublime is probably the first GUI text editor that left me satisfied. Everything else over the years was either non-portable, slow or lacking features. After two months of use I just had to buy it, it's worth the price. - It's fast and responsive, can handle large files and personally I've never seen it leaking memory or crashing - Love the goto anything and command palette, brilliant - Text editing is great and can…

First: I love ST. It is an amazing software that runs just as good on Mac/Linux/Win. In a pinch I will download and use it and never complain. Python extensibility is also great, since Python is the language I do best. That said, and I hate to be this guy (not really), but... Emacs? * Performance: Acceptable on modern day * Goto Anything: Helm/Projectile, command palette = M-x * Text Editing: It is what emacs does be…

Maybe grandparent poster just likes Sublime better. If he was an emacs user, would you have posted basically the same thing with "...and I hate to be this guy (not really), but... Sublime?"

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by FooBarWidget »

sangnoir wrote: post #376
jwr wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Greedy"? Software is something that needs to be continuously developed and maintained. Charging a one-time fee is a fundamentally unsustainable approach. We all have to face reality and start paying for software as a subscription. Now, that will likely end the bubble of "I can buy 100 apps, most of which I'll never use", which we have been in for the last 20 years or so. But perhaps the few apps that people will pay…

> Software is something that needs to be continuously developed and maintained. Not always. Sometimes software is "done" and warrants no further changes or maintenance. I have run into this issue with mobile apps that worked perfectly to my satisfaction until the authors decided to "redesign" or "improve" it. I think subscription is a valid use case for customers who want active maintenance, but it should be opt-in.…

Sometimes, sure. But nowadays software is more often than not something that isn't simply done and needs continuous updates, in the face of security vulnerabilities, changing requirements (people using the software for changing use cases), platform updates (new version of macOS or Linux that breaks compatibility), etc.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by s73ver_ »

tjoff wrote: post #326
cletus wrote: post #292

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Thing is, software unlike say a book or a movie has sometimes significant maintenance costs. There are always bugs to be fixed, security vulnerabilities are found, third-party libraries need to be upgraded and so on. The danger of the one-off model is that it sometimes creates the wrong incentives. Features and even bug fixes get pushed into newer versions, which may even delay their release until there's enough of t…

Well, in contrast to a physical thing selling two copies is exactly as costly as selling one. I'd argue that that more than covers the cost of continued development. I can't say I recognize that wrong incentives in real life and I've yet to find a single piece of software that I'm willing to pay a subscription for. It all comes down to business ethics, are you trying to rip off your customers? Most can't afford to pi…

"Well, in contrast to a physical thing selling two copies is exactly as costly as selling one."

Statements like this ignore the costs of creating it in the first place.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by pinum »

city41 wrote: post #361
bitexploder wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First: I love ST. It is an amazing software that runs just as good on Mac/Linux/Win. In a pinch I will download and use it and never complain. Python extensibility is also great, since Python is the language I do best. That said, and I hate to be this guy (not really), but... Emacs? * Performance: Acceptable on modern day * Goto Anything: Helm/Projectile, command palette = M-x * Text Editing: It is what emacs does be…

I agree that finding an open source, well established and powerful editor is an investment worth making. That basically means vim or emacs. Once over the learning curve, you're setup for long term productivity gains and stability. Since neither editor is going anywhere and they run on pretty much anything. But for many people, the initial learning curve just isn't worth it. Sublime, Atom and VS Code are all very popu…

I think you should forget the whole "terminal based" thing. TUI text editors don't make much sense anymore. Native GUIs are much less clunky and much more discoverable.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by catwell »

favadi wrote: post #287
teamhappy wrote: post #124

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Let me rephrase that. Major kudos to these guys for enduring distributing their software properly on Linux!

In the past few months, I see some popular linux softwares started to using AppImage ( https://appimage.org/ ) to distribute prebuilt binary. Not sure if it is a good option for SublimeText.

That's what electro-build does by default. It's a terrible solution for end users, because it results in huge bloated statically-linked images, but at least it works everywhere.

I do prefer what Sublime Text is doing here though. Kudos to them, it's a lot of work.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by Touche »

sclangdon wrote: post #142
Nvorzula wrote: post #60

I took a dive away from Sublime Text over to Atom a few years ago because I was starting up some contract work, didn't want to pay for a copy, and didn't want to continue doing the hokey thing of using a friend's license for work purposes. So I got use to Atom just fine, plus the UI is nice. I mean, Atom is nice. The package management is all there and frequent updates are great, but...I don't write JS/HTML/CSS/PHP.…

I'm always bemused by software developers who are unwilling to pay for software. Especially software they actually use. If software developers don't value software, there is something very wrong with our industry.

That's one way to look at it. I prefer to adjust to reality rather than hope to change reality to suit my preferences. If people don't like paying for software, then charging money for software is not something I'm going to waste my time on.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by s73ver_ »

sangnoir wrote: post #376
jwr wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Greedy"? Software is something that needs to be continuously developed and maintained. Charging a one-time fee is a fundamentally unsustainable approach. We all have to face reality and start paying for software as a subscription. Now, that will likely end the bubble of "I can buy 100 apps, most of which I'll never use", which we have been in for the last 20 years or so. But perhaps the few apps that people will pay…

> Software is something that needs to be continuously developed and maintained. Not always. Sometimes software is "done" and warrants no further changes or maintenance. I have run into this issue with mobile apps that worked perfectly to my satisfaction until the authors decided to "redesign" or "improve" it. I think subscription is a valid use case for customers who want active maintenance, but it should be opt-in.…

" I detest the forced-subscription model that JetBrains attempted ("Didn't pay the latest subscription? We'll brick the application you've installed and are running on your hardware")."

They never attempted that. You were always able to use the version you paid for, even if you stopped your subscription.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by tjoff »

xapata wrote: post #408
tjoff wrote: post #380

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Well, I didn't mean to say that people buying subscriptions are being ripped off. But rather that companies that don't offer subscriptions can't game on features and bug-fixes just to fish for upgrade fees before people feel (rightly so) ripped off. There is an implicit agreement on the support provided and if the company fails to deliver that people won't play along.

Isn't that the other way around? If I buy a license and I find a bug a year later, there's no guarantee of a fix. If I am subscribing, I can threaten to cancel.

It was a direct response to the parent.

Also, if you loose access when you stop subscribing that is actually much harder to do compared to not paying for an upgrade if you "own" a license of the software.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by mattl »

gkya wrote: post #205
teamhappy wrote: post #124

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Let me rephrase that. Major kudos to these guys for enduring distributing their software properly on Linux!

It's easy to write a PKGBUILD for Arch, and IDK RPM but writing a Debian package is not that hard too, I've written a .deb that installs all the software I use on Ubuntu Gnome and it's just a directory and two or three files. Its docs could use a bit of help though, the Debian handbook is sometimes very superficial.

Would you share how you made that deb? Sounds useful.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by cholantesh »

pinum wrote: post #424
city41 wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that finding an open source, well established and powerful editor is an investment worth making. That basically means vim or emacs. Once over the learning curve, you're setup for long term productivity gains and stability. Since neither editor is going anywhere and they run on pretty much anything. But for many people, the initial learning curve just isn't worth it. Sublime, Atom and VS Code are all very popu…

I think you should forget the whole "terminal based" thing. TUI text editors don't make much sense anymore. Native GUIs are much less clunky and much more discoverable.

I wish people would learn to appreciate that UX is subjective. I find most GUI-based editors to be RSI inducing. The level of effort required to change that is not worth it for me. Others may disagree. And that's fine.
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