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60 journalists all spend one week covering Cincinnati's battle with heroin

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Re: 60 journalists all spend one week covering Cincinnati's battle with heroin

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Post by codyb »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #113
codyb wrote: post #98

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Hmm, I do agree with you but when I read that I read that as literally meaning "these police officers have no time to dwell on whats wrong". With that many deaths and overdoses in just one week a lot of these departments are pretty taxed. A lot of these guys are doing the best they can with what little time they have and showing compassion where they can. Fortunately for those battling these addictions I suspect, thi…

> I dunno what it is I just have a decent amount of faith in America's ability to generally move forward over time. So with this, you just happened to touch upon an only tangentially related strongly held opinion of mine. So I'll rant for a sec: It is my strongly held belief that society and life does not just get better over time. All of the improvements we've seen in society have been from people fighting incredibl…

Oh yea. I absolutely agree with you. My faith is in the American people to continue fighting.

Re: 60 journalists all spend one week covering Cincinnati's battle with heroin

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Post by humbleMouse »

replicatorblog wrote: post #70
humbleMouse wrote: post #5

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Holy crap that's insane. That's 72 pills per year for each man woman and child.

I've seen this stat repeated quite a bit, but a person with chronic pain might take 2-4 pills a day right? Assuming 28 pills a week, that figure doesn't seem as crazy. Perhaps this is an insane quantity, but it feels like a stat that could be made to sound scarier than it is by using proper vocal intonation.

I see the point you're trying to make - but have you ever taken 2-4 opiate pills per day for over a couple weeks at a time? This has a terrible ravaging effect on your body. It's not good for anybody, regardless of how much pain they are in. Furthermore, opiate tolerance goes up very quickly and that 2-4 pills can turn into 4-8 very quickly.

Re: 60 journalists all spend one week covering Cincinnati's battle with heroin

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Post by tjorganism »

KGIII wrote: post #123
tjorganism wrote: post #122

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Well since you asked, no, I would not expect something else. Their (your) addiction has affected the organ that they use for making decisions. I would expect an addict to find any way he or she can to find access to more of the addictive substance their now compromised brain demands. Being smart or high functioning only means they can find even more clever and inventive ways of achieving their desires. You say that t…

Look up the studies for areas where it is decriminalized and areas where certain drugs are legal. Portugal would be a good place to start. Let Google be your guide.

Couldn't summon the energy to present your arguments?

Do you think drug use has contributed to your lethargy?

Re: 60 journalists all spend one week covering Cincinnati's battle with heroin

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Post by SyneRyder »

spraak wrote: post #116
spraak wrote: post #36

I always wonder what would happen if caffeine/caffeine containing products (coffee, tea etc.) were illegal. Would people go to the same extremes for a caffeine fix?

I'm curious why this would be down voted.

I gave you an upvote, as the question seems fair. But if you're a coffee/caffeine drinker, you can answer this for yourself by going without coffee for a couple of weeks. You'll miss it for a few days, but it's ultimately not something worth going to jail or having a hole drilled into your leg for.

Re: 60 journalists all spend one week covering Cincinnati's battle with heroin

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Post by KGIII »

tjorganism wrote: post #133
KGIII wrote: post #123

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Look up the studies for areas where it is decriminalized and areas where certain drugs are legal. Portugal would be a good place to start. Let Google be your guide.

Couldn't summon the energy to present your arguments? Do you think drug use has contributed to your lethargy?

No, I expect you to do the work on your own. I gave you some keywords. Good luck.

Sorry you're being downvoted. It's not me that is doing it. HN doesn't allow it, but I'd not do it anyhow.

Re: 60 journalists all spend one week covering Cincinnati's battle with heroin

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Post by girvo »

exikyut wrote: post #130
girvo wrote: post #128

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I am doing a version of this myself (minus the padded room), using buprenorphine under the supervision of an excellent case worker and doctor. It's taken 5 years, but I'm down to 1.6mg from 32mg at the start, and 24 works in the future I'll be off it entirely (and taking a month off to go down to my family's holiday home on the beach here in Australia, for the final withdrawal symptoms). One weird thing: even with my…

> I am doing a version of this myself (minus the padded room), using buprenorphine under the supervision of an excellent case worker and doctor. Wow, that's absolutely awesome. > It's taken 5 years, but I'm down to 1.6mg from 32mg at the start, and 24 works in the future I'll be off it entirely (and taking a month off to go down to my family's holiday home on the beach here in Australia, for the final withdrawal symp…

> So... when you say buprenorphine works great in terms of binding, I get the impression that you mean that the effect lasts longer, and that it is needed less frequently? That would have helpful practical ramifications, yeah.

Exactly, yeah. For most people it will "hold" them for 24-48 hours. Unfortunately for me, it only holds me for about 12, but that should hopefully mean that my final withdrawal symptoms are more acute and less drawn out.

I'd rather a week or two of agony than months of less-intense but still terrible shit!

Re: 60 journalists all spend one week covering Cincinnati's battle with heroin

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Post by aklemm »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #114
aklemm wrote: post #97

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It IS absurd and I'm with you in thinking it is a perfect storm. Possibly even a fundamental crisis of freedom. My latest tactic is to label these people "copsuckers". It makes me feel good anyway.

Labeling people does nothing to help change the situation other than alienate people from agreeing with you and understanding that things need to improve.

That's often very wise, but sometimes a well-placed label or even insult gets a person thinking. In this case, it's a thought like, "Why do I have this cop in my mouth?"

Re: 60 journalists all spend one week covering Cincinnati's battle with heroin

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Post by tjorganism »

KGIII wrote: post #135
tjorganism wrote: post #133

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Couldn't summon the energy to present your arguments? Do you think drug use has contributed to your lethargy?

No, I expect you to do the work on your own. I gave you some keywords. Good luck. Sorry you're being downvoted. It's not me that is doing it. HN doesn't allow it, but I'd not do it anyhow.

I understand what you're doing, shifting the work to me, but it is generally courteous in a discussion to provide an argument to support your points. Why should I do the work for you and then let you sit back and pick at my arguments? I am not making a positive statement either way on the issue. You are the one that has made the assertion that illegality of heroin is the primary causal factor in it's being harmful, so you are the one that has the onus to provide supporting evidence for your claims.

I'm being downvoted because I started this off being snarky and, frankly, an ass to you. I think my points are still valid but it's not a kind way of communicating them, and for that I apologize.

Re: 60 journalists all spend one week covering Cincinnati's battle with heroin

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Post by snarf21 »

amigoingtodie wrote: post #92
snarf21 wrote: post #40

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Not attacking you but do you think cigarette companies are liable for smoking addiction? My biggest problem with Pharma on this is that Oxy is 100x (?) more likely to get someone addicted than Tylenol 3 with Codeine or maybe even Morphine. I think part of selling Oxy should be a mandatory tax that goes to pay for opioid addiction.

A tax on who? The taxpayers that are paying for Medicaid to pay the drug companies? Healthcare in America is disgustingly perverse.

No, I meant treat it like casinos are. A tax on revenue that specifically goes to pay for addiction.
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