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The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

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Re: The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

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At this point, they are trying to support a secular and a relatively liberal (relative to an alternative) regime against ISIS and other jihadis, yes. To see an alternative, take a look at Libya after Gaddafi where there are literally slave markets in 2017.

Keeping a minority Alawite government in power is just going to keep leading to these Sunni uprisings.

Majority of Syrian Sunnis support the government. Majority of Syrian army is Sunni.

Re: The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

#82
post #52

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Did you miss the part where the U.S. has been giving tremendous support to the SDF/YPG in its fight against ISIS?

This literally started a couple of months ago under Trump, along with ending CIA's weapons running program. Here Trump truly deserves credit and outshines Nobel Peace laureate Obama. If he removes PKK from the US list of terrorist groups, that would be a 3 for 3 for him, although I'm not holding my breath.

The PKK is responsible for killing over 30,000 Turkish civilians back in the 80s and 90s. That's roughly ten times the number of people that died in 9/11 attacks.

If that doesn't make them a terrorist organization... well, I don't know what to tell you.

Re: The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

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Anyone got a tl;dr about the motive behind all this? What does the US government gain by flooding the middle East with weapons?

This is the reason Syria was destabilized by the US. Natural gas to Europe. Period. This is not about Assad, the US is simply demonizing him to justify their destruction of another secular soverign country. Russia supplies Europe with almost all of its natural gas. This is unacceptable to the west. What the west wants is to drag nat gas up from Qatar through Syria to the med and north into Europe breaking Russia's st…

do you have any sources for these claims?

Re: The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

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post #56
post #26

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"At this point" being the key phrase here. That wasn't their goal when they came in to back Syria: the goal was to clamp down on the uprising and its armed resistance. Of course, things are more complicated now. Oh definitely, Assad is liberal and secular, to the point where he operates countless secret torture prisons and has forcibly disappeared tens of thousands of his citizens. Use the term "lesser of evils" if y…

Citations on these secret prisons and dissapearing of people by the tens of thousands please?

https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/12/16/if-dead-could-speak/ma...

There are a few other good sources. I'll try to find them.

Re: The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

#85
post #74

I guess it makes sense, seeing how Israel is known to have supported Al-Qaeda by taking care of wounded soldiers in the border zone. I thought it was strange that Israel supported a group that the US was officially fighting, but I wrote it off as part of Israel's policy of destabilizing its neighbors. Could someone explain to me why Al Qaeda and ISIS are aligned with Israel's interests? I don't understand why they li…

So you actually hit on the correct answer in your response. According to George Friedman, the futurist, it is "to destabilize the region". That might not be the original goal of any mission the US does, but the fact remains, if the US goes into an area and really help a population, we win. If the region is destabilized such as crazy infighting occurs that prevents people coming together and such, the US also wins.

A good example is the often observed fact that "Napoleon was the best thing to have ever happened to the British". Europe was very close to aligning against Britain, and dragging them into a revolutionary war ala the US, but at the last minute a new bad guy appeared, the French, whose energy the other European powers poured themselves into.

Re: The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

#86
post #22

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At this point, they are trying to support a secular and a relatively liberal (relative to an alternative) regime against ISIS and other jihadis, yes. To see an alternative, take a look at Libya after Gaddafi where there are literally slave markets in 2017.

Fun fact, Gaddafi didn't run the country. No media outlets reported on the democratically elected head of state in Libya. They also didn't report on the free electricity, subsidized housing, subsidized fuel, free education and the fact that Libya was stable and in no debt to the WMF. Now they are in debt to the WMF, are a totally non-stable state ravaged with crime and their slowly progressively moving government has…

Free is only free until your money runs out. Look at Venezuela, the government gave the things you listed as free until they couldn't.

Re: The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

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post #38
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"At this point" being the key phrase here. That wasn't their goal when they came in to back Syria: the goal was to clamp down on the uprising and its armed resistance. Of course, things are more complicated now. Oh definitely, Assad is liberal and secular, to the point where he operates countless secret torture prisons and has forcibly disappeared tens of thousands of his citizens. Use the term "lesser of evils" if y…

"Relatively" implies "to something ", in this case (I would assume) either to middle-age-style religious warlords (Daesh et al) or absolutist monarchies built around religious rule (Iran, Saudi). So yeah, I'd say Assad is "relatively liberal" by Middle-Eastern standards - a place where almost every state has some secret police, an absolutist ruler, and no separation of church and state.

I'm from (arguably) the only Arab Spring success story, so I'm quite familiar with how Middle Eastern dictatorships operate. We have a truth commission that has gone through how people have suffered at the hands of the deposed regime.

Even when compared to similar Middle Eastern autocrats, Assad is simply on a whole other level in my opinion. One might argue it's because of the war, but I really don't see why war crimes and torture prisons are required to "win" the civil war.

On the contrary, his people will never forget. Good luck building a stable and successful country with so much blood on your hands.

Re: The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

#88
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, they are trying to support a secular and a relatively liberal (relative to an alternative) regime against ISIS and other jihadis, yes. To see an alternative, take a look at Libya after Gaddafi where there are literally slave markets in 2017.

Fun fact, Gaddafi didn't run the country. No media outlets reported on the democratically elected head of state in Libya. They also didn't report on the free electricity, subsidized housing, subsidized fuel, free education and the fact that Libya was stable and in no debt to the WMF. Now they are in debt to the WMF, are a totally non-stable state ravaged with crime and their slowly progressively moving government has…

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Re: The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

#89
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, they are trying to support a secular and a relatively liberal (relative to an alternative) regime against ISIS and other jihadis, yes. To see an alternative, take a look at Libya after Gaddafi where there are literally slave markets in 2017.

Keeping a minority Alawite government in power is just going to keep leading to these Sunni uprisings.

These uprisings "keep" happening because the Saudis and the usa provide funds to these rebel groups to oust the Shiite (alawite) regime. In Bahrain, a Sunni minority government is ruling the state.

Re: The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms for Syrian Rebels

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post #56
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"At this point" being the key phrase here. That wasn't their goal when they came in to back Syria: the goal was to clamp down on the uprising and its armed resistance. Of course, things are more complicated now. Oh definitely, Assad is liberal and secular, to the point where he operates countless secret torture prisons and has forcibly disappeared tens of thousands of his citizens. Use the term "lesser of evils" if y…

Citations on these secret prisons and dissapearing of people by the tens of thousands please?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/08/syria-to...

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/mar/21/syrias-...

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/aug/30/t...

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-23/it-was-my-duty-to-...

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