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Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by zaphirplane » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 7:50 AM UTC

shevy wrote: post #152

maccard wrote: post #139

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To play devils advocate - are you ok with YouTube brings discovery and hosting platform for extreme Islam propaganda, or neo nazi/far right? Or what about less extreme content deliberately designed to mislead and draw attention to an issue (see the constant barrage of lies published in tabloid newspapers directed at certain hot topics, ranging from slightly misleading to downright lies). I also don't see what the ISO…

There are already certain laws that prohibit certain content. But this is not the issue in this case; neither are ISIS propaganda videos. This here is corporate and state-controlled censorship that has no legal basis at all whatsoever aimed at controlling research. That is MUCH worse than propaganda by others. > Where do you stand on copyrighted content, on illegal > material (some of which may be legal in some count…

A company isn't a public service , they also want to create an environment for their users that maximizes their engagement and therefore the company's profit

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by mirimir » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 7:55 AM UTC

KGIII wrote: post #29

sbov wrote: post #16

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How tightly bound we are to just a few large tech companies is... unfortunate. I would love it if it were easier for the common person to host their own stuff. Between all the concerns involved (security, hardware, demand, etc.) I'm not sure how feasible it is. I've given it a lot of thought, and have slowly unwound my custom tech setups - from domains, to emails, to hardware. Mostly for the "bus" factor. When my dad…

Maybe something like a RPi, made to just be a web server. Something pretty dumb. Also, possibly legislation that forces ISPs to let residential customers use their outbound bandwidth the way they want, within the bounds of the law? I dunno...

Sure, Pi are great. And if you setup a Tor onion service, the ISP can't block access. Unless they block Tor, of course.

And people don't even need Tor to access it. When high security isn't necessary, it's fine to publish Tor2web links, such as https://m_facebookcorewwwi.onion.link/

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by londons_explore » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 7:59 AM UTC

If your Google account is suspended, then deletion of the contents after a set number of days is required by various laws and legal precidents for your own privacy. Google cannot hold your private data on an ongoing basis without letting you access it.

Your only chance will be getting the account unsuspended before the timer runs out.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by ebcode » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 8:00 AM UTC

anotherbrownguy wrote: post #117

Mtinie wrote: post #40

Resolved. https://mobile.twitter.com/carwinb/status/907778135957131265

>I hope for good. But, I honestly don't know. I love how Google handles their customers. They just block/remove without any warning, don't respond when asked and reinstate if they have to without any apology or explanation.

ha ha. you said "customers".

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by code_coyote » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 8:12 AM UTC

sbov wrote: post #16

KGIII wrote: post #7

Well, she is easier to defend than Nazis. So, here I go... Freedom of expression, not just free speech the legal concept, should be a societal goal. Google has every right, legally, to delete this stuff. However, in an ideal world, they'd do no such thing and would let people judge based on the merits of the message. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like to work towards that ideal world. Maybe the solution…

How tightly bound we are to just a few large tech companies is... unfortunate. I would love it if it were easier for the common person to host their own stuff. Between all the concerns involved (security, hardware, demand, etc.) I'm not sure how feasible it is. I've given it a lot of thought, and have slowly unwound my custom tech setups - from domains, to emails, to hardware. Mostly for the "bus" factor. When my dad…

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Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by rjsw » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 8:17 AM UTC

jdietrich wrote: post #68

glenstein wrote: post #42

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This is a great point, because I think it shows that people who are trying to redefine the contours of the standard free speech conversation (which had historically been about freedom from government imposed limits) are attempting to solve the wrong problem. The problem is dependence on huge monolithic tech platforms, such that we feel that the societal value of free expression is threatened by the standard forms mod…

There's also a very blurry line between a common carrier and a publisher. Social media platforms don't want to be liable for content published on their site, but they also want the right to delete content at their own discretion. Somehow, the courts have granted them this wish. The USPS has a similar monopoly to YouTube, but they're obliged to transport any printed material that is legal. There's no hidden algorithm…

The USPS isn't unregulated though, mail fraud can be prosecuted.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by rndgermandude » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 8:22 AM UTC

KGIII wrote: post #155

shevy wrote: post #148

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> Google has every right, legally, to delete this stuff. Please quit defending censorship. Thank you.

You read my post and THAT is what you took from it? Oh, wow... I'm not even remotely defending censorship, I think it's horrible. That doesn't mean they don't have a right to do so. It does mean I don't think they should. You might want to read my whole post, maybe the whole thread.

They should stop having that right, in my humble opinion.

We regulate companies, trying to prevent them from doing things that we deem harmful to people or the society as a whole.

I've seen a ton of people on here (not you; in general) argue that e.g. that Christian homophobe baker has to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, or that the Hobby Lobby company has to provide access to contraceptives under ACA. So why can't we have legislation and regulations to force "social" networks (of a certain size, maybe) to host content that their operators don't like but is still lawful and legal?

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 8:23 AM UTC

jiggunjer wrote: post #134

tpeo wrote: post #15

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Besides being an issue of freedom of expression, couldn't this be construed as a form of damage? I mean, part of a journalist's trade is to reach out as many people as they possibly can. Taking stuff down goes in the opposite direction to that.

If you choose to build your house on an abandoned indian graveyard, should you complain when you get haunted? It doesn't matter if your house has incredible value to society; old Running Bear doesn't care.

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Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by jjawssd » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 8:26 AM UTC

jack9 wrote: post #10

Terabyte drives are very cheap. Since it's borderline stupid, to simply upload this volume of work to some third party service without backup, I have no sympathy or technical concern. This being an illustration of Google's terrible "progressively tyrannical" track record, the article is badly titled. More like Google the Oppressor of Truth. Good Luck to Alexa.

Young generations that grew up with cloud storage for everything don't remember what it was like to hoard data. Therefore, younger generations people are at the most risk of having their history destroyed at the whim of Google - a company closely affiliated with the US State Department - or any other service provider for that matter.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by Macha » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 8:27 AM UTC

quuquuquu wrote: post #3

Help me understand- Alexa O'Brien has a Youtube account with many hours of video. She also has a google account, drive, etc. Some of her videos contained material that Google (being Google), didn't like. Despite the fact that it was all very important journalism, Google arbitrarily decided it was #extremism, therefore #banned. I would say that 5 years ago I would have been shocked and outraged, but lately I just abso…

This is one part of why I dont think people should use the new Drive File Stream over the backup and sync (Google Drive legacy app) client.

Actually, speaking of that,the new backup and sync automatically uploads photos and backs up USB drives -> what if some of the automatic content it uploads violates their TOS (e.g. an investigative journalists photos from a war zone)