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Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by QuercusMax »

wener wrote: post #10

Feel sad, don't like things goto Eclipse. Eclipse makes me feel less techs, maybe the bad impression from eclipse, these bad impression last for at least five years, most of time someone get into the trouble is caused by eclipse, feel more worse.

Are you confusing Eclipse-the-IDE with Eclipse-the-Foundation? The Eclipse Foundation is much like the Apache Foundation - the piece of software it was originally named for doesn't have much to do with lots of the projects hosted / owned by the foundation.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by rectang »

wocram wrote: post #16

Isnt the eclipse foundation where projects go to die?

Sheesh, there's always someone with this take on foundations. I've heard the exact same phrase many times with "Apache" (where I used to be very active) instead of "Eclipse". :\

Large projects tend to end up under the various foundations because large projects have lots of common problems that the foundations help solve and it doesn't make sense to reinvent the wheel every time (e.g. by starting your own foundation).

Once there, lots of stakeholders are more comfortable committing lots of resources because the governance rules are predictable and well understood. So the projects tend to cater to those stakeholders, putting a higher emphasis on backwards compatibility and evolving more through extension than through revolutionary, breaking changes.

Projects which go to foundations live for a long time. And they don't stop innovating, either -- they just innovate more at the edges than at the core.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by jrs95 »

shagie wrote: post #15

This is IBM finally beating Sun over control of enterprise Java - something they've been fighting for for well over a decade (and much closer to two). IBM has been trying to get the Java process away from Sun - and they even backed an IDE to compete with NetBeans. Eclipse... of the Sun (Microsystems). Apparently, Oracle has finally gotten tired of IBM (through Eclipse) saying "we can do it better" and trying to manag…

Doesn't Red Hat have a lot of involvement with Eclipse Foundation stuff as well? Or am I remembering that incorrectly?

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by geodel »

shagie wrote: post #15

This is IBM finally beating Sun over control of enterprise Java - something they've been fighting for for well over a decade (and much closer to two). IBM has been trying to get the Java process away from Sun - and they even backed an IDE to compete with NetBeans. Eclipse... of the Sun (Microsystems). Apparently, Oracle has finally gotten tired of IBM (through Eclipse) saying "we can do it better" and trying to manag…

This is the time when Oracle and IBM both know Java EE is past sell by date. IBM is betting Swift and Go now.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by geodel »

jrs95 wrote: post #24
shagie wrote: post #15

This is IBM finally beating Sun over control of enterprise Java - something they've been fighting for for well over a decade (and much closer to two). IBM has been trying to get the Java process away from Sun - and they even backed an IDE to compete with NetBeans. Eclipse... of the Sun (Microsystems). Apparently, Oracle has finally gotten tired of IBM (through Eclipse) saying "we can do it better" and trying to manag…

Doesn't Red Hat have a lot of involvement with Eclipse Foundation stuff as well? Or am I remembering that incorrectly?

Oh yes. Just last month Redhat's Ceylon language became Eclipse Ceylon

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by emergie »

csours wrote: post #4

Can someone explain what Java EE really means? I tried to parse the bundle and license the last time this came up, and I didn't really get anywhere.

It's basically Java SE + a standarized stack of technologies, that are usually used in server applications: Servlet, EJB, CDI, JSP, JSF, JTA, JPA...

Java EE is not the only way of doing serverside java apps - most of systems i've developed used tomcat + spring-* stack, which is not a Java EE platform.

I think reading this project page may help clarify what Java EE is:

http://openejb.apache.org/apache-tomee.html

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by georgeecollins »

geodel wrote: post #25
shagie wrote: post #15

This is IBM finally beating Sun over control of enterprise Java - something they've been fighting for for well over a decade (and much closer to two). IBM has been trying to get the Java process away from Sun - and they even backed an IDE to compete with NetBeans. Eclipse... of the Sun (Microsystems). Apparently, Oracle has finally gotten tired of IBM (through Eclipse) saying "we can do it better" and trying to manag…

This is the time when Oracle and IBM both know Java EE is past sell by date. IBM is betting Swift and Go now.

Nothing makes me doubt the future of Swift like this sentence.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by [deleted] »

jrs95 wrote: post #24
shagie wrote: post #15

This is IBM finally beating Sun over control of enterprise Java - something they've been fighting for for well over a decade (and much closer to two). IBM has been trying to get the Java process away from Sun - and they even backed an IDE to compete with NetBeans. Eclipse... of the Sun (Microsystems). Apparently, Oracle has finally gotten tired of IBM (through Eclipse) saying "we can do it better" and trying to manag…

Doesn't Red Hat have a lot of involvement with Eclipse Foundation stuff as well? Or am I remembering that incorrectly?

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