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I value talented people but sometimes during the hiring process I find myself thinking: 1. You're spoiled 2. You're overpriced 3. Your lack of humility is going to burn us one day Technical folk and designers hold the whip hand right now, but that's no reason to abuse it.

From the other side of the table, employers usually hold all the cards. I don't care about your mission, your values, just show me the money. This is a transaction, not an interview for me to be a part of your family. I will be polite, but if you offer a dollar less in total compensation than the other person, I will accept the other offer and thank you for your time. Have to make hay while the sun is shining, and th…

But that is what is called "professional detachment".

The kind of thing that allows your lawyer or psychoanalyst (or your surgeon) to be not influenced in doing their work for (or on) you.

But you don't hire them, you pay them as consultants, and only when you actually need their professional services.

It is probably a good thing (for you) that you are so valued on the market that you can go for the highest bid on a virtual employment auction, and it is fair enough, still if someone is building a company I believe it is their right to limit the amount available for your wage to a given budget and looking for people that may bring with them (besides their professionality) something else to the company (be it enthusiams, good team playing, whatever).

In my experience (not connected to IT or related to it) it happened to me more than once to need to fire someone (or not hire him/her) not because they weren't good at their work (actually in some cases they were very good at it) but simply because they asked for a crazy amount of money or they had (or would have) made other people less productive, one way or the other.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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I value talented people but sometimes during the hiring process I find myself thinking: 1. You're spoiled 2. You're overpriced 3. Your lack of humility is going to burn us one day Technical folk and designers hold the whip hand right now, but that's no reason to abuse it.

Are you a recruiter then? What specifically is your role in the hiring process?

Two of the points were detailing completely unprofessional and all too common practices from recruiters and - ghosting and not keeping appointments(flaking.)

I would be curious to hear how a candidate expressing frustration at those disrespectful practices might cause you to think that they are "spoiled", "overpaid" or "lack humility."

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"teenage" girls aren't the height of professionalism, I think was the thrust there. The use of the word "like" frequently denotes this. Nothing wrong with girls, period. But teenagers aren't looked up to as the paragons of professionalism.

Are teenage boys the height of professionalism? I think the gender comment is unnecessary, irrelevant, and harmful.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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post #3

I value talented people but sometimes during the hiring process I find myself thinking: 1. You're spoiled 2. You're overpriced 3. Your lack of humility is going to burn us one day Technical folk and designers hold the whip hand right now, but that's no reason to abuse it.

From the other side of the table, employers usually hold all the cards. I don't care about your mission, your values, just show me the money. This is a transaction, not an interview for me to be a part of your family. I will be polite, but if you offer a dollar less in total compensation than the other person, I will accept the other offer and thank you for your time. Have to make hay while the sun is shining, and th…

> I will be polite, but if you offer a dollar less in total compensation than the other person, I will accept the other offer and thank you for your time.

Many people take into consideration much more factors, than just money, i.e. it is common to work on crappy project in hostile environment with no flexibility for excellent money, and - on the contrary - work for a little less but on fun projects, in friendly environment, with great perks, flexibility, etc.

Anyway, I hire lots of IT-related people and would most probably not want to have in one of my teams person of such attitude. (To be honest, I "inherited" one of such employees and he's really negative, materialistic and 24/7 complaining person. Not pleasant to work with at all, and he demotivates others with his attitude.)

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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This reads and looks like it was written by a teenager. Quite ironic that it is preaching professionalism. Edit: I did not mean this as "only girls are unprofessional" so I removed that part. Teenage boys are equally as unprofessional, but I don't think they express it in the exact same way. If this was filled with dick jokes and the like I would have written "teenage boy".

Your comment reads like it was written by the kind of person who'd blow off a meeting with a potential designer hire 4 times.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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post #3

I value talented people but sometimes during the hiring process I find myself thinking: 1. You're spoiled 2. You're overpriced 3. Your lack of humility is going to burn us one day Technical folk and designers hold the whip hand right now, but that's no reason to abuse it.

Are you a recruiter then? What specifically is your role in the hiring process? Two of the points were detailing completely unprofessional and all too common practices from recruiters and - ghosting and not keeping appointments(flaking.) I would be curious to hear how a candidate expressing frustration at those disrespectful practices might cause you to think that they are "spoiled", "overpaid" or "lack humility."

No. I am the person who hires IT people at my organisation.

Edit: I am also a programmer

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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This reads and looks like it was written by a teenager. Quite ironic that it is preaching professionalism. Edit: I did not mean this as "only girls are unprofessional" so I removed that part. Teenage boys are equally as unprofessional, but I don't think they express it in the exact same way. If this was filled with dick jokes and the like I would have written "teenage boy".

I'm pretty sure teenage girls can make more professional posts than this. (Also, thanks for the sexism?)

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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I value talented people but sometimes during the hiring process I find myself thinking: 1. You're spoiled 2. You're overpriced 3. Your lack of humility is going to burn us one day Technical folk and designers hold the whip hand right now, but that's no reason to abuse it.

Spoiled and overpriced sounds like you don't value them. Is this a reaction to their attitude in the interview or does it start at the resume or email communications?

Face to face. I'm talking about people who don't feel the need to in anyway justify why they're there. The discussion is basically a critical assessment of us combined with a mortal combat approach to salary discussions.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, what about being a girl conveys unprofessionalism?

This is a fair comment and I don't think it ought to be downvoted. It should have been "teenager" - that's not a criticism of the original commenter - but I think something worth correcting.

While we're encouraging edits within HN's 1 hour edit window, in your shoes I'd have de-escalated the last word:

> something worth [improving].

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are teenage boys the height of professionalism? I think the gender comment is unnecessary, irrelevant, and harmful.

Oh, come off it already. It is clear what he meant, you are just trying really hard to be offended by something.

No, it was unnecessarily sexist and demeaning.
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