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Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by desireco42 »

This is bad advice for designers, sound very spoiled and prepotent. I don't think good experienced designers would be swayed by this, but beginners might read into this.

Focus on your skills and what you want to do, and you will be fine. Stay away from 'priests' like this, they will not help you, you are only there to admire them.

One skill that I would always value in designer is that he can produce in medium we are using ie. html. Photoshop is bad starting point and this alone will put you above others (in my humble opinion).

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by khazhoux »

lightbyte wrote: post #2

This reads and looks like it was written by a teenager. Quite ironic that it is preaching professionalism. Edit: I did not mean this as "only girls are unprofessional" so I removed that part. Teenage boys are equally as unprofessional, but I don't think they express it in the exact same way. If this was filled with dick jokes and the like I would have written "teenage boy".

As another commenter pointed out, this off-hand comment is harmful to girls. In my own experience growing up, girls were just as "professional" (if that can apply to teenagers) as boys. They were serious, thoughtful, ambitious, and worked hard in school. Now I'm older and my friends have kids, and their girls are going to Maker Faires, studying hard, etc.

We should not accept the meme of a "teenage girl" being a silly thing that doesn't know how to behave right, because it's just not true.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by tdfx »

a13n wrote: post #11
jeremy7600 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"teenage" girls aren't the height of professionalism, I think was the thrust there. The use of the word "like" frequently denotes this. Nothing wrong with girls, period. But teenagers aren't looked up to as the paragons of professionalism.

Are teenage boys the height of professionalism? I think the gender comment is unnecessary, irrelevant, and harmful.

There are negative traits about both teenage boys and teenage girls. The writing style more closely matches teenage girls in this instance, so that's why the connection was made. Sexism exists in tech but this is not it.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by fergyfresh »

a13n wrote: post #11
jeremy7600 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"teenage" girls aren't the height of professionalism, I think was the thrust there. The use of the word "like" frequently denotes this. Nothing wrong with girls, period. But teenagers aren't looked up to as the paragons of professionalism.

Are teenage boys the height of professionalism? I think the gender comment is unnecessary, irrelevant, and harmful.

Clearly the poster was talking about the excessive use of `like` which he deems as the typical vocabulary of a teenage girl which is what you're attempting to be upset by. It had nothing to do with teenage boys being significantly more professional than teenage girls, or anything of the sort.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by sidlls »

desireco42 wrote: post #21

This is bad advice for designers, sound very spoiled and prepotent. I don't think good experienced designers would be swayed by this, but beginners might read into this. Focus on your skills and what you want to do, and you will be fine. Stay away from 'priests' like this, they will not help you, you are only there to admire them. One skill that I would always value in designer is that he can produce in medium we are…

Is the "spoiled" part because of the presentation or the content? My read of the content is that it seems routine (for at least this person) to have hiring staff at companies routinely ignore follow-up emails, miss meetings, and engage in the designer equivalent of data structures and algorithms pedantry/hazing in the software side. I'm not sure wanting hiring people to have sufficient respect for the author's time and education to not do those things is "spoiled."

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by khazhoux »

kentrado wrote: post #17
a13n wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are teenage boys the height of professionalism? I think the gender comment is unnecessary, irrelevant, and harmful.

Oh, come off it already. It is clear what he meant, you are just trying really hard to be offended by something.

This was so unprofessional, it's like it was written by a black teenager!

...is that better?

Or is it more obvious now that the original comment was an insult to girls?

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by whipoodle »

scandox wrote: post #3

I value talented people but sometimes during the hiring process I find myself thinking: 1. You're spoiled 2. You're overpriced 3. Your lack of humility is going to burn us one day Technical folk and designers hold the whip hand right now, but that's no reason to abuse it.

Oh my god. Give me a break.
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