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Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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How is Google selling your data to another company ?

That's literally their business

They sell ads that they target based on your data but AFAIK they don't give this data to any third party (except gov agencies of course like all US companies)

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Here is a slide from the PRISM leaks: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-... #neverforget

The mention that is varies by provider is notable. Apple encrypts End-to-end all iMessage chats, as well as FaceTime (VoIP) calls. None of the other providers on that list do that, so at least there's that. Also, people here act like Apple jumped willingly onboard the PRISM program. You can bet your ass their arm was twisted by the government or they were taken into the program unknowingly (datacenter ISP taps, etc).

"Apple encrypts End-to-end all iMessage chats, as well as FaceTime (VoIP) calls."

End-to-end encryption does not guarantee that Apple keeps your data encrypted, or that they don't process it for 3rd parties (NSA would fit as a 3rd party, where Apple would be for them a content provider, as the slide shows).

"You can bet your ass their arm was twisted by the government or they were taken into the program unknowingly (datacenter ISP taps, etc)."

Can you back that up ? How can you be so sure ?

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The mention that is varies by provider is notable. Apple encrypts End-to-end all iMessage chats, as well as FaceTime (VoIP) calls. None of the other providers on that list do that, so at least there's that. Also, people here act like Apple jumped willingly onboard the PRISM program. You can bet your ass their arm was twisted by the government or they were taken into the program unknowingly (datacenter ISP taps, etc).

"Apple encrypts End-to-end all iMessage chats, as well as FaceTime (VoIP) calls." End-to-end encryption does not guarantee that Apple keeps your data encrypted, or that they don't process it for 3rd parties (NSA would fit as a 3rd party, where Apple would be for them a content provider, as the slide shows). "You can bet your ass their arm was twisted by the government or they were taken into the program unknowingly (…

> End-to-end encryption does not guarantee that Apple keeps your data encrypted

I'm probably misunderstanding something here but doesn't "end-to-end encryption" mean that A encrypts it with B's key and [whoever is in the middle passing it along] can't decrypt it because they don't have B's key?

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The Google device is NOT truly yours because you have to look for cracks if you want to root it or remove the Google stuff. The law may also be against you if you crack it. You are just a guest on your device...you are "licensed" to use it just like you get license to play music on spotify, watch movies on netflix etc...nothing is owned anymore and very few people care.

Many Android devices, including all the ones that Google make and sell themselves, Sony devices, Motorola devices, have an officially supported path to running any code you want on YOUR own device. Usually that path is: boot the phone into bootloader mode, plug it into a computer, run `fastboot oem unlock`, accept the warning that this will void your warranty, then `fastboot flash `. An officially documented and supp…

Sure. That's why Magisk exists, right? Because OEMs have nothing against you rooting your device. At all. They are perfectly okay with it.

Please. Actions speak louder than words, I am sure you would agree with that.

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An Apple computer. To run Mac software. That's what you probably meant.

You don't have to own an Apple computer to run Mac software, so your statement is factually false and his isn't.

Legally.

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Many Android devices, including all the ones that Google make and sell themselves, Sony devices, Motorola devices, have an officially supported path to running any code you want on YOUR own device. Usually that path is: boot the phone into bootloader mode, plug it into a computer, run `fastboot oem unlock`, accept the warning that this will void your warranty, then `fastboot flash `. An officially documented and supp…

Sure. That's why Magisk exists, right? Because OEMs have nothing against you rooting your device. At all. They are perfectly okay with it. Please. Actions speak louder than words, I am sure you would agree with that.

We were discussing Google devices and Apple devices. All Google phones have an unlockable bootloader.

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All of a user's device data is encrypted by default on Android as well. In this respect, they are no different.

The difference is that Google owns the keys that encrypt your files. Services like GDrive, GMail, Google Photos, Assistant, all depend on processing your data in the cloud. Apple does all of that locally (because they can't access any of it otherwise), trading some scalability and sophistication for privacy.

We were discussing data stored on the device. Just like Apple, Google does not have the keys to decrypt the data on the device. And just like Google, Apple has the keys to decrypt the data in their equivalents to the GDrive, Gmail, and Google Photos cloud services for web access. The only difference is that Apple's services are significantly less useful.

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iOS devices have always required the device to "trust" the computer before allowing the backup. Looking at the article, the only real difference now appears to be that you can't just use TouchID, you're forced to use the passcode.

> Looking at the article, the only real difference now appears to be that you can't just use TouchID, you're forced to use the passcode. That's part of it. Another part is that the passcode has to be entered after the device has been connected to the computer, as opposed to starting with an unlocked phone (maybe you took it while it was in use, maybe you forced the user to unlock it) and connecting it to a computer l…

I am not sure to understand.

Once the device is unlocked, what is the obstacle to change the passcode?

Needing the old one?

Or - if you prefer - what happens if you have a TouchID and forget the passcode?

Do you need to reset the phone?

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How hard is it to jailbreak with ADB shell and get root on a random phone? Does that always require a code?

It depends on the device, but at least on Nexus/Pixel devices you can just plug the phone in and `fastboot oem unlock` and it will unlock the bootloader, i.e. allow you to flash anything onto it that you want.

This does not let you access the user's data because fastboot oem unlock wipes the data partition. Before you can unlock the bootloader, you have to enable the option in the developer menu, which requires the phone's owner's account's unlock code.

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It's more than just sandboxing: Apps going through the App Store have to meet a stringent set of requirements, chiefly being no private API usage, no circumvention of features intended to give the user control/privacy, and no third party web engines (and all the performance and security implications that come with those). Apple regularly rejects apps that violate the first two, and while I'm sure some get through the…

Apple's checks are not very deep. They suffice to keep honest people honest but do little against an actual adversary.

The number of safeguards they have in place make that a moot point. If it's not discovered in testing, it's sandboxed. If it gets past the sandbox, they have a killswitch that's registered to the app's specific ID. There's very little damage that an app can do if it's gone through the App Store proper.
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