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Why American Workers Pay Twice as Much in Taxes as Wealthy Investors

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Makes my blood boil reading this, especially how poor republicans who have the most to gain through tax reform are consistently voting against their interest.

Vote. Run for office. Become active in politics. That is the only way these problems get fixed.

EDIT: Start small. All politics are local. Run for city council, or some other form of local government. Work towards change. Network. Expand your reach as you become comfortable in your role. My contact info is in my profile if you want a step by step guide.

Re: Why American Workers Pay Twice as Much in Taxes as Wealthy Investors

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Makes my blood boil reading this, especially how poor republicans who have the most to gain through tax reform are consistently voting against their interest.

But poor republicans have often a religious obligation to vote republican.

So do you vote democrat to get more money and fail your religious obligtation? Or do you vote repblican to fulfill your religious obligation at the cost of some rich guys getting richer?

Not all people vote through an economic lens. Many othet lenses exist. Religion is just one of them. You could replace religion with gun rights. Or states rights. Same story.

I would guess for most people, no one party matches all their wants. So they need to prioritize.

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The biggest lie is this nonsense about "double taxation," ie taxing money that's already been taxed is somehow unfair. So stupid.

Capital gains tax shouldn't exist. It should all be one income tax. You can carve out discounts or exemptions for things like sale of PPOR, sale of family business up to a certain point, if you want.

Re: Why American Workers Pay Twice as Much in Taxes as Wealthy Investors

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Because politicians sell progressive income taxes as a way to screw the rich, when it actually just screws the upper middle class, since the actual rich don't have jobs to tax the income from.

There are many people making over $200,000/yr. With 20 years of investing $150,000 of that, it's incredibly easy to have over $6.5 million.

I don't see why it can't be a two-pronged approach with both higher income taxes and wealth taxes. It's what was done in the 1950's, and there was still plenty of wealth then.

Re: Why American Workers Pay Twice as Much in Taxes as Wealthy Investors

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> Americans in the top 1 percent, and especially the top 0.1 percent, have seen their wealth and income multiply in recent decades as the rest of the country’s share of the economic pie shrank. Since 2000, a recent study found, the top 1 percent have made those gains almost entirely on income from capital, especially corporate stock—not on labor income. One reason may be the financial options of the wealthy: Business owners can lower their tax bills by paying themselves in dividends rather than in salary, for example.

I've written a few times about how the different tax rates on income, vs dividends vs interest income vs capital gains, and even business vs personal tax rates all work together to ensure the 1% come out ahead of the average income earning individual.

I think I was 25 when I incorporated my first corporation, not because I was a startup founder, but to reduce my taxes. I'll bet if you look around at the most wealthy people you know, almost all will have their own corporation or two.

I mean, just the fact that people pay taxes and then expense out of after tax money and corporations pay expenses and then tax on whats left should be enough to illustrate how corporations keep the rich ahead of the salaried population.

It can get worse as corporations can change their tax year. This means if you are someone who gets a large bonus at the end of the calendar year you can shelter the tax on it for an entire year. So you can have someone who earns a $100,000 salary and gets a $500,000 bonus on December 31st. The bonus goes into the corporation and has a full year until November 30th before the tax is due. If you invest the bonus and earn 20% by next November you have earned enough money back to cover the corporate taxes due vs the salaried employee who pays the full 40ish% tax rate on the $500,000 bonus. Now, you'll have to eventually pay dividends to take the money out of the company but I think I've shown enough to prove just how far ahead the person with the corporation comes out ahead of the average person.

Until the tax law changes, smart people have corporations, the 99% don't.

Re: Why American Workers Pay Twice as Much in Taxes as Wealthy Investors

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Because politicians sell progressive income taxes as a way to screw the rich, when it actually just screws the upper middle class, since the actual rich don't have jobs to tax the income from.

It's not the progressive tax structure that's the problem, it's the fact that cap gains are taxed at a much lower rate than other forms of income.

Re: Why American Workers Pay Twice as Much in Taxes as Wealthy Investors

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The biggest lie is this nonsense about "double taxation," ie taxing money that's already been taxed is somehow unfair. So stupid. Capital gains tax shouldn't exist. It should all be one income tax. You can carve out discounts or exemptions for things like sale of PPOR, sale of family business up to a certain point, if you want.

I don't see it that way. When you invest you risk the capital. You might get a return, you might not and therefore the taxation rules should reflect that. The situation as a worker is different. The only risk you take is that you might select a bad company.
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