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I can confirm that Cruise Automation's software is simply not viable as the basis of a self-driving car.
How do you know that? Do you work for Cruise?
How can I prove this to you without potentially harming myself?
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#222I don't know what to believe. A few days ago I spent some time checking publicly available data and the result is that the current state of art is extremely far from an autonomous car that, could like used to drive a taxi in a busy city like Rome. Not far as "still some effort needed" but potentially "not clear when this could be available" far. Now there are those claims made by multiple companies... Go figure.
OTOH it is easy to teach human drivers to behave carefully and differently when they encounter a self driving car. They could even require special marking or color on the cars. People learn to be careful with trains, trams etc so i don't see why they won't learn to behave more rationally when a SD car is passing by.
Trains and trams are fairly easy to predict, though. They can only really go in two directions, and change speeds very gradually. And for all that we've "learned to be careful" around them, they still rack up 2-3 thousand crashes every year, even with extensive signing and signaling.
Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car
#223I don't know what to believe. A few days ago I spent some time checking publicly available data and the result is that the current state of art is extremely far from an autonomous car that, could like used to drive a taxi in a busy city like Rome. Not far as "still some effort needed" but potentially "not clear when this could be available" far. Now there are those claims made by multiple companies... Go figure.
You and I are both Italian (good to see you, by the way) - and we both know that every self-driving car would totally fail in Rome :)
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
How can I prove this to you without potentially harming myself?
what is wrong with their technology?
An easy question to answer. But I need to be careful about disclosing details in a public forum.
System is fundamentally unsuitable for automotive or other timing-critical applications. Engineered wrong from the beginning. It's a dead end.
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There still are not cheap, good, 3D, automotive-grade LIDAR units. 2-3 years out, though, there should be lots of them.
Waymo lidar is around 7.5k$, I would say that it qualifies as a good automotive-grade lidar.
If you need four to six of them, as the little Google/Waymo car did, that's still too expensive.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
what is wrong with their technology?
An easy question to answer. But I need to be careful about disclosing details in a public forum. System is fundamentally unsuitable for automotive or other timing-critical applications. Engineered wrong from the beginning. It's a dead end.
You created your account 19hrs ago....sketchy.
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
An easy question to answer. But I need to be careful about disclosing details in a public forum. System is fundamentally unsuitable for automotive or other timing-critical applications. Engineered wrong from the beginning. It's a dead end.
You created your account 19hrs ago....sketchy.
Yes, I am commenting anonymously. It's necessary.
Cruise Automation can produce a good demo. Shortcuts have been taken to produce good-looking results.
Don't be deceived. No car running the current software (or any software derived from it) will ever operate reliably.
Posted below, you will find a deleted comment from one of my fellow Cruise employees. That comment is accurate in its characterization of both Kyle and Cruise's technology.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
You created your account 19hrs ago....sketchy.
Yes, I am commenting anonymously. It's necessary. Cruise Automation can produce a good demo. Shortcuts have been taken to produce good-looking results. Don't be deceived. No car running the current software (or any software derived from it) will ever operate reliably. Posted below, you will find a deleted comment from one of my fellow Cruise employees. That comment is accurate in its characterization of both Kyle and…
Here is the deleted post from below, repeated verbatim. I'll put it here so it doesn't get lost.
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"Cruise employee here. throwaway for obvious reasons. It needs to be said that this is entirely marketing smoke and mirrors. The Cruise platform is significantly behind most other players in the market, and is having many many technical problems because of shortsighted leadership on Kyle's part, including high level people quitting (the head of planning and controls left last month because of Kyle, and more are threatening to quit) The reason I'm saying this is that this sort of public "everything is fine, we are the best" posturing leaks inwards. The opposite is very much true. Employees are very upset with Kyle because of things just like this. I make no exaggeration when I say Kyle is a mean-spirited, selfish person in private, and is very quick to publicly take credit for the work of others that he has emotionally and verbally abused. It's truly one of the most toxic environments I've ever been a part of."