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Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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It does. But if your a US citizen or are ok to be barred from entering the US for a long time, then you have the option to not unlock. If you go the US citizen route, be prepared to never get your phone back and many future border crossings to be 4+hr affairs where they confiscate most of your things. As a US citizen they have to let you in.

If you do have money and effort to spare though, perhaps you can file a suit that gets up to the Supreme Court after enough of those 4hr border crossings.

My guess is that those with money and effort to spare will not be required to endure this ritual (they know who they're dealing with).

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I have never seen a company both so technically capable and supportive of user privacy as Apple. It stands completely apart from all of the tech giants of today.

I just wish an Apple ID wasn't required for everything. Especially one that requires giving them my full name, phone, and physical address. I understand that it would be needed for purchase apps, but just to download a free one?

Is it not still possible to set up an AppleID with gift cards you paid cash for? As far as I know it used to be. I still have an AppleID I set up in another country using a free iTunes download code I got from a bottle of soda iirc, never used a credit card and downloaded a free apps that weren't available in the country of my main AppleID.

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I have never seen a company both so technically capable and supportive of user privacy as Apple. It stands completely apart from all of the tech giants of today.

Thinking about it, Apple is benefiting right now from the same debt-based economy that benefits the FBI/NSA. I don't think there even is much local US manufacturing, so Apple imports products made in China and sell them at a high profit margin. Apple's cash piles came from debt, and I think national debt is exactly the thing that increases when FBI/NSA spends more money, right? (Of course, it is only one kind of debt…

I think you've confused several different trends with each other. I can't see a coherent point here.

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For anyone concerned that authorities force you to give up your password to them (thus allowing them to image your device), you can pair your iPhone to a computer with a MDM (managed device profile), which will prevent any other device from connecting to it. iOS security researcher (now Apple employee) Jonathan Zdziarski has 2 blog posts on this: Counter-Forensics: Pair-Lock Your Device with Apple’s Configurator: htt…

What happens if your computer breaks? Is the iPhone paper weight then?

Have you ever considered reading the article?

"you have to start fresh, with a brand new install of iOS."

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It sounds an awful lot like you've had an embarrassing personal experience and are blaming Apple

There's the iTunes hack, the SSL bug. Apples security record is not better than say, Adobe

You are reminding people of serious security issues, but comparing them to Adobe? That's going too far.

Personally I dropped a lot of Google products with the Snowden leaks revealed to shocked Google engineers that they shouldn't have been sending unencrypted traffic between data centers and assuming it was safe because it was on leased lines. There's bugs, and then there's just negligence.

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But maybe death is preferable to living with your anime collection out there.

I'm calling Poe's law here. I hope you do not serious mean that anime collections are shameful.

s/anime/youknow/ aka Rule34.

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Face ID is going to screw this all up. Cops won't even need your cooperation to unlock.

How is that different from Touch ID?

TouchID has 3-5 tries before it gives up and requires password. There are 10 fingers + failed presses. It can also be turned off in duress (or will deactivate after a few hours or after reboot).

I always turn off my iPhone for checkpoints or traffic stops. They want it, they can decrypt it the hard way.

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Face ID is going to screw this all up. Cops won't even need your cooperation to unlock.

Apple is adding a kill switch to iOS 11 that lets you discreetly disable Touch ID (and presumably Face ID) by hitting the power button 5 times. And of course if you're concerned you can opt out of Touch or Face ID entirely and simply use a pass-code. https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/17/16161758/ios-11-touch-id-...

Something that I think people underestimate is just how easy it is to observe you entering your password on a phone, and why that (in my opinion) makes thumbprints much more secure than passwords for casual usage - e.g. every-time you unlock your phone.

All you need is a camera over your shoulder and you don't even need to observe the key-presses as generally the current character is displayed on screen. You could likely observe 100s or 1000s of them a day with an overhead camera at transit stations and the like.

The same thing goes for "Tap And Go" contact less payments not requiring a PIN number under $100. Everyone goes on about how people can run up a few hundred dollars at different stores with your card if they steal it. But consider exposing your pin to surveillance during most common transactions which then also lets you remove cash from an ATM with that card if stolen which is much harder to recover and is also much higher value than the generally $30-$100 limit for transactions without a PIN.

Next minute you'll freak out when I tell you I can clone your house key from a photo of it hanging off your belt...

The general point is that security trade-offs are generally deeper than you might realise on the surface, especially at "public outrage" levels of observation which so frequently haunt the public mind in recent times.

I'm not sold on this Face ID business yet though.. will see how it is presented tomorrow.

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Face ID is going to screw this all up. Cops won't even need your cooperation to unlock.

Too soon to tell. For all we know, Face ID may give you the option to provide a facial expression to unlock.

I'm patenting the Duck(face)Lock(TM)(R)(C)(Registered)(DontStealMe) immediately

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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They could add a "duress passcode", with an alternate reality of data. I don't expect them to, but it's possible. Bitcoin hardware wallets have this kind of feature to help avoid wrench attacks.

Lying to a federal agent is a crime. Edit: No seriously. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements . Refusing to unlock your device is one thing. Claiming that you did unlock it but in fact just used a "duress passcode" is a lie and can land you in jail.

So don't lie about it.

"I just entered my duress pass code, the device is now wiped".

Can they charge you with destruction of evidence when they have no idea if/what evidence was on the phone?

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