it has existed for many year of generate music with ai.
Deep Learning Techniques for Music Generation – A Survey
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#22Would a computer endlessly churning out music on par with Beethoven, Chopin, and the Beatles make us happier as humans?
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#23Would a computer endlessly churning out music on par with Beethoven, Chopin, and the Beatles make us happier as humans?
Focusing on happiness, what if the computer were just endlessly working on making humans happy? Would that be any better? You might end up with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isrd7E5nzIQ Or perhaps something much, much worse like electronic crack. You could argue that we've already achieved that: http://nypost.com/2016/08/27/its-digital-heroin-how-screens-...
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Some of us, yes, some of us, no?
Shall I refine the question then? Would Beethoven, Chopin, or the Beatles be happy if a computer churned out equivalent masterpieces?
Have you tried researching classical music on YT? I have done that intensely, for about 7 years, and I can tell you that I didn't get to listen to more than 1%. There are thousands of composers with hundreds of thousands of pieces and millions of interpretations.
If we create computer music it will be done to expand the space of creativity, as usual. Classical music is particularly daring in breaking its molds and expanding to new forms.
My favorite imagination game is to pretend I am listening a contemporary piece together with Mozart, Bach, or Beethoven and watching their reactions. So I am doing in my head a simulation of the old masters, like AI is doing, except that I am trying to listen from their perspective instead of trying to create more music in their style.
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#26Would a computer endlessly churning out music on par with Beethoven, Chopin, and the Beatles make us happier as humans?
It depends on what you mean by "on par". If you mean "endlessly churning out songs that sound pretty much like Beethoven, Chopin, or the Beatles", then probably not. Humans do that too. If you mean "endlessly creating new, innovative, and enjoyable material, like Beethoven, Chopin, and the Beatles did", then I think it's a very interesting proposition and lots of people would be happy to have that. I am skeptical it…
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Shall I refine the question then? Would Beethoven, Chopin, or the Beatles be happy if a computer churned out equivalent masterpieces?
We don't need to churn out more of it, we can't raise to the level of the current supply of music. What we need is more power to appreciate genres of music, not more music. Have you tried researching classical music on YT? I have done that intensely, for about 7 years, and I can tell you that I didn't get to listen to more than 1%. There are thousands of composers with hundreds of thousands of pieces and millions of…
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#28Would a computer endlessly churning out music on par with Beethoven, Chopin, and the Beatles make us happier as humans?
Depends on the level of creativity and if it can break out of the learned styles and create something different.
ML models have problems handling even medium level structure much less something long term.
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We don't need to churn out more of it, we can't raise to the level of the current supply of music. What we need is more power to appreciate genres of music, not more music. Have you tried researching classical music on YT? I have done that intensely, for about 7 years, and I can tell you that I didn't get to listen to more than 1%. There are thousands of composers with hundreds of thousands of pieces and millions of…
i don't get this at all. we need music that is about who we are now, and what new sounds we can make and imply and expect and imagine. technology has changed that just like the modern violin bow did for romantic era violinists, computers did for Varese, Antheil, and Percy Grainger, autotune did for Cher, hammond b3 did for jazz, trains did for Honnegger, race riots and loopers did for Strve Reich and on and on... we…
On the other hand, I wholly agree with innovation in composition - Bach, Mozart and Beethoven (+ many others) excelled in innovation and were sometimes considered downright weird for their time. Even Chopin was considered weird and his music is the easiest to listen to.
As composers, is is/was their duty to be innovative, but us, as listeners, should try to assimilate all periods and styles, and the old ones have a depth of feeling that is rare today.
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i don't get this at all. we need music that is about who we are now, and what new sounds we can make and imply and expect and imagine. technology has changed that just like the modern violin bow did for romantic era violinists, computers did for Varese, Antheil, and Percy Grainger, autotune did for Cher, hammond b3 did for jazz, trains did for Honnegger, race riots and loopers did for Strve Reich and on and on... we…
Your message was interesting and I agree with it up to the point where you say we could be trapped by Bach. There is enough depth in Bach to still fascinate us 300 years later, if it doesn't it is a lack on our perception ability. On the other hand, I wholly agree with innovation in composition - Bach, Mozart and Beethoven (+ many others) excelled in innovation and were sometimes considered downright weird for their…